I don't understand. How is space a god?
Is this an argument from personal incredulity?
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Why do you believe in God?
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firedragon
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You see Muhammed the same or is there a difference? Do you see features of the person or is it just light, lots of light all around him?
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Before college, I believed in a single, Christian-style God, though even then I mixed my belief with other mythologies.
During college, I had a couple of philosophy classes that deeply challenged that belief, and I went through a period of existential malaise as I struggled to adjust to a new world absent of a God.
Though painful, this became a positive experience. I used my new philosophical toolkit to begin molding back meaning from things I couldn't deny; using axioms to metaphysically build a new rationale of "God" that suited my feeling of connection with a larger reality.
Essentially, I reasoned that since most concepts of "God" seem to refer to some sort of omnipotent or omnipresent being that forms a kind of primal essence of the Universe, it is our relationship to the Universe that is ultimately "God":
1. God is the conscious Universe.
2. We are intrinsically a part of the Universe.
3. We are conscious.
Therefore, the Universe is conscious and may be defined as "God."
This is, of course, using the term "God" more in a poetic way to infuse my sense of connection with reality with a deeper meaning and not meant to justify a specific religion. I have found it handy in interpreting religious mythology (including Christianity) in mystical ways, which I find deeply satisfying.
During college, I had a couple of philosophy classes that deeply challenged that belief, and I went through a period of existential malaise as I struggled to adjust to a new world absent of a God.
Though painful, this became a positive experience. I used my new philosophical toolkit to begin molding back meaning from things I couldn't deny; using axioms to metaphysically build a new rationale of "God" that suited my feeling of connection with a larger reality.
Essentially, I reasoned that since most concepts of "God" seem to refer to some sort of omnipotent or omnipresent being that forms a kind of primal essence of the Universe, it is our relationship to the Universe that is ultimately "God":
1. God is the conscious Universe.
2. We are intrinsically a part of the Universe.
3. We are conscious.
Therefore, the Universe is conscious and may be defined as "God."
This is, of course, using the term "God" more in a poetic way to infuse my sense of connection with reality with a deeper meaning and not meant to justify a specific religion. I have found it handy in interpreting religious mythology (including Christianity) in mystical ways, which I find deeply satisfying.
firedragon
Veteran Member
you seem to be applying a monistic model to rationalise your existence and experience. Or am I wrong?
Colt
Well-Known Member
We are designed to believe, it actually requires effort to reject God.
A sense of morality is innate to personality because all personality comes from a moral God. In the same way a somehow registered hope and trust initiated by the indwelling spirit of the Father that lives within us.
I see that never before has the Cause of our One God been so openly proclaimed to all humanity.
The call awakened me from a sleep like unto death.
Bahá'í Reference Library - The Promised Day Is Come, Pages 44-49
".. Referring to these Tablets addressed to the sovereigns of the earth, and which ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has acclaimed as a “miracle,” Bahá’u’lláh has written: “Each one of them hath been designated by a special name. The first hath been named ‘The Rumbling,’ the second, ‘The Blow,’ the third, ‘The Inevitable,’ the fourth, ‘The Plain,’ the fifth, ‘The Catastrophe,’ and the others, ‘The Stunning Trumpet Blast,’ ‘The Near Event,’ ‘The Great Terror,’ ‘The Trumpet,’ ‘The Bugle,’ and their like, so that all the peoples of the earth may know, of a certainty, and may witness, with outward and inner eyes, that He Who is the Lord of Names hath prevailed, and will continue to prevail, under all conditions, over all men…. Never since the beginning of the world hath the Message been so openly proclaimed…. Glorified be this Power which hath shone forth and compassed the worlds!
".. Referring to these Tablets addressed to the sovereigns of the earth, and which ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has acclaimed as a “miracle,” Bahá’u’lláh has written: “Each one of them hath been designated by a special name. The first hath been named ‘The Rumbling,’ the second, ‘The Blow,’ the third, ‘The Inevitable,’ the fourth, ‘The Plain,’ the fifth, ‘The Catastrophe,’ and the others, ‘The Stunning Trumpet Blast,’ ‘The Near Event,’ ‘The Great Terror,’ ‘The Trumpet,’ ‘The Bugle,’ and their like, so that all the peoples of the earth may know, of a certainty, and may witness, with outward and inner eyes, that He Who is the Lord of Names hath prevailed, and will continue to prevail, under all conditions, over all men…. Never since the beginning of the world hath the Message been so openly proclaimed…. Glorified be this Power which hath shone forth and compassed the worlds!
Who am I to turn away from the announcement awaited by all Faiths?
Regards Tony
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thats very interesting. How do you know this? Is that based on a study or another?
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
This assertion is entirely contrary to my experience.
firedragon
Veteran Member
You believe in God due to a contrary experience? Please explain what it is if you dont mind.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I don't believe in god. It wasn't a response to the OP, it was a reply to one of the reasons given.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thanks brother Link. But with all due respect, I do not visit personal YouTube videos or channels of forum members due to some issues. Not any more.
Id really love it if you can explain it here. But if not, its perfectly fine. Thanks for your response.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Ah. You wanted to negate someones reason. I understand. Very good.
Salam
Who we are as in our exact identity cannot have an accurate reality without a perfect absolute judge seeing us exactly as we are. Without that vision and accountability to our deeds, we won't assume people have an accurate value by which we love them, appreciate their deeds, and essentially assume their is an objective moral value to them. We rely on God's vision accounting us to love others, appreciate others, and for relationships by which we assess people. Without an accurate value and reality, there's nothing there, and estimating and guessing would be futile.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Not exactly. @cOLTER made a general claim (apparently about everybody), rather than give a personal reason. It may have been his experience that it would have required an effort to not believe, but it certainly wasn't mine.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I understand. You are basically saying his experience is not yours.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
He expressed his claim as if it were universal ("We are designed to believe, it actually requires effort to reject God."). I was pointing out that I am a counterexample.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Very welcome @firedragon
I rated your post as funny by accident. I meant to like it. I think Mohammad (s) and Ali (a) are available to all believers, as all chosen guides are of the past as well.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Religion of some form or another has always been in the majority throughout human history. Most people are religious before they ever become interested in religion. The inexplicable birth of religion has already occurred deep in the subconscious mind apart from religious introspection.
When non-believers join something called "Religious Forums" in order to undermine religious people that's proof of the "effort" to deny God among non-believers. Like, if one had no interest in tennis they wouldn't join a tennis forum to argue tennis.