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Why do you dislike Islam?

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Lately I've been annoyed by some of the threads popping up using links regarding the behaviors of other Muslims from across the world or the behaviors of extremist Muslims who commit terrorism justifying their action using doctrine. So I'm curious and wanted to discuss/debate some of the personal issues some people have regarding Islam. I'm not talking about verses but what are your personal issues with Islam and why the continuing issues regarding Islam. As I've told one member, when I came back I started my disagreement with Islamic theology regarding pre-determinism. My disagreement was purely philosophical other than that I have no personal issues with Islam other than a few philosophical/theological concepts I just disagree with. So I wanted to create a thread and allow people to vent their frustrations out here and hopefully correct some errors. I also hope some RF Muslims join in and perhaps answer some issues whether theological or otherwise.

Personally I find very little difference between Christians and Muslims, other than the fact that Christianity is older and has had more time to mature and mellow. A thousand years ago many Christians were just as radical and intolerant as many Muslims are today.
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
How long back were you in India? Have you seen the rapid urban growth of India on the recent decades. You have heard of the large reservations of jobs and college seats implemented throughout India or that each school, public or private are now required to take in at least 25% children from economically or socially challenged groups? As a developing country there are many challenges, but there is little reason to doubt that progress will continue rapidly.

Four months ago - urban growth has nothing to do with tradition! It is as I claim it is.

Peace
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Religious people have been baiting me with this sort of crap for a very long time. You'll have to do better.

Like respond to post #152. It was addressed to @Epic Beard Man, but he seems a bigger loser than Sayak.
Tom

I think you just lost your tail feathers :D and your anorak
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
No it isn't.
It's about submission to the will of people who claim to speak for God. That's quite different.
Tom

Confirm if that was a claim and not the truth by an evidence, otherwise it's
just an opinion and it can't be taken seriously.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
It is and the funny part is Shari'ah Law only applies to Muslims, not Christians, nor Jews, nor anyone else. But because of the media and the fear based on the fanaticism of the late Osama Bin Laden and his ilk, Christian conservatives have spoon fed the public into thinking Muslims will rule the world and apply Shari'ah to everyone. Like I told another poster Shari'ah Law is a complex legal system that is not easily understood. Hell, I wouldn't even know where to begin. People don't understand that Shari'ah Law is not just about punishment but how one conducts themselves in public. I think Shari'ah Law tends to have some similarity with Halakha (Hebrew Law).

If you studied Islam how can you say that when the following clearly contradicts what you say?

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38 - includes graphic image).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• Muslims are to subjugate the world under Islam (see Quran 9:29 and Palestine Issue).
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

SHARIA LAW — LIST OF KEY RULES — What Is Sharia Law?

Islam is a religion of peace... if you don't agree then they will kill you...

 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
They are not treated well.
Liberty to freely express views on Islam. Liberty of Muslims to change their religion. Liberty to express liberal views on Islam. Liberty to protest conservative practices. Liberty to practice own religion free of harassment and persecution. Etc.

Muslims should follow the words of God and hence the quran proves you wrong.

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.(2:256)

  1. Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve!
  2. "I do not worship that which you worship,
  3. "Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
  4. "Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
  5. "Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
  6. "To you your religion and to me mine." (109:1-6)
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
At the mosque I prayed at only men were allowed. That's too misogynistic.

I also don't like how Islam produces strict theocracies that force a dress code or stone adulterers or cut off heads and hands. How often do Muslims stone adulterers or cut off heads and hands compared to Jews or Christians?

I'm trying to think of an example in my lifetime of Jews or Christians stoning someone they death. I can't think of any.

I live in Jordan and I can see women wearing the kind of dress they wish, God in the quran advise women to wear a modest dress but it isn't a must, God said
it's better for you to do so.

God in the quran insists that killing is an awful thing that he rejects and he compared killing one soul as killing every soul on earth, he didn't say a Muslim soul or an atheist soul, just a human soul.

Wars were against the worriers, they were oppressors and they fought the prophet to stop the message of God and hence the prophet was ordered to fight them if they started the war.

I may write a book explaining to you the truth but you can search for it yourself
if you indeed looking for it.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Lately I've been annoyed by some of the threads popping up using links regarding the behaviors of other Muslims from across the world or the behaviors of extremist Muslims who commit terrorism justifying their action using doctrine. So I'm curious and wanted to discuss/debate some of the personal issues some people have regarding Islam. I'm not talking about verses but what are your personal issues with Islam and why the continuing issues regarding Islam. As I've told one member, when I came back I started my disagreement with Islamic theology regarding pre-determinism. My disagreement was purely philosophical other than that I have no personal issues with Islam other than a few philosophical/theological concepts I just disagree with. So I wanted to create a thread and allow people to vent their frustrations out here and hopefully correct some errors. I also hope some RF Muslims join in and perhaps answer some issues whether theological or otherwise.

Hi,
This is just to say that Shia Muslims don't believe in pre-determinism.
We believe human has free-will, although God's will has no limit..

Just try to imagine someone with an artificial hand..
He can use his hand, Yet the hand works in battery...
Once the battery is not there, the man won't be able to use his hand..

Similarly, you may want buy something for example, you have the money, but if God does not want you to buy it..you will find it out of stock..or someone will come and convince you to buy another item..
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Confirm if that was a claim and not the truth by an evidence, otherwise it's
just an opinion and it can't be taken seriously.
Of course it can be taken seriously. As a matter of fact, it is far better suited to be taken seriously than the opposite claim.
 

Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38 - includes graphic image).

not petty theft, nor theft for hunger or out of necessity.

Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.

False - Islam allows critique and denial - what it doesn't allow is misrepresenting the Qur'an like ISIS do, and this is why every scholar I have heard of has outright made takfir on ISIS leadership.

Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.

False - plenty of non Muslims in Arab lands do not believe Muhammad pbuh is the prophet of God, they are alive and kicking soccer balls.

Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).

False - wow your ignorance is astounding me right now. Are you really this uhm, uneducated on Islam?

A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).

False - there is a caveat here also - the Muslim who denies his religion and apostates, must also commit treason before the death penalty is given... guess what? treason is punishable by death here in the West too lol. You really are making me wonder if you are a troll now.

A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.

False - this is not true at all. If a Muslim is of weak faith, and apostates, that is a sure sign that Allah has misguided him:

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumar verses 36-37:

36 Is not Allah enough for His servant? But they try to frighten thee with other (gods) besides him! For such as Allah leaves to stray, there can be no guide.

37 And such as Allah doth guide, there can be none to lead astray! Is not Allah Exalted in Power (able to enforce His Will) Lord of Retribution?


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 30 Surah Rom verse 29:

Nay!!! The wrong-doers (merely) fellow their own lusts being devoid of knowledge. But who will guide those whom Allah leaves astray? To them there will be no helpers.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 45 Surah Jathiya verse 23:

Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has knowing (him as such) left him astray, and sealed His hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 17 Surah Israa verse 97:

It is he whom Allah guides that is on true guidance; but he whom He leaves astray for such wilt thou find no protector besides Him. On the Day of Judgment We shall gather them together prone on their faces blind dumb and deaf: their abode will be Hell: every time it shows abatement, We shall increase for them the fierceness of the Fire.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 35 Surah Fatir verse 8:

Is he then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring so that he looks upon it as good, (equal to one who is rightly guided)? For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul go out in (vainly) sighing after them: for Allah knows well all that they do!

A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.

False, this is not true - they get divorced in a shariah court. Unless they've had children, in which case they stay married!

• Muslims are to subjugate the world under Islam (see Quran 9:29 and Palestine Issue).

True, but Islam is in the hearts of those who seek to know God and not those who seek power! So you are still wrong.

• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

Taqiyya is lying under direct fear of death for being a Muslim, in which case a Muslim is allowed to deny he is a Muslim - that is the be all and end all of it.

Your link to shariah law was absolutely idiotic... it must be representative of the simpleton you are.

Islam is a religion of peace... if you don't agree then they will kill you...

If that was the case - you'd be dead already :D 1 in 5 people are Muslim in this world - it wouldn't take much for us to rule over you if that was our agenda.Basic math would have you dead at this point :D

We Muslims don't seek this world - we seek the next.

regarding that video?

Another hillbilly redneck paranoid production.

You're a product of the fear you have been born into, it would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic... honestly.

Get a life, a job, a wife - something to keep you occupied and happy. Sheesh!
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Of course it can be taken seriously. As a matter of fact, it is far better suited to be taken seriously than the opposite claim.

Do you have the evidence? you should prove it otherwise it's just your opinion
and some may agree with you and some others will disagree.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Do you have the evidence? you should prove it otherwise it's just your opinion
and some may agree with you and some others will disagree.
The whole world is evidence. If that is not enough for you, then I am not sure I can help you.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
He needs to be specific and sincere... I sense anything but! lol
Do you want more sincerity from me? Be careful what you wish for.

If I had to guess, you are simply conditioned to doubt the sincerity of critics of Islaam. A common if unfortunate trait.

It is odd that @FearGod apparently forgot the very post he replied to so soon, but let's run with that.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
@Mohsen , @FearGod

These are the original posts' relevant parts.

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