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Why does Hell have to be so terrible?

St Giordano Bruno

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I was educated in Catholic schools entirely through my childhood and it struck me that Hell was such a terrible overkill and often disproportionate to the sins committed. What do other Christians and non Christians think of this? How can they justify the existence of such of horrible place by a so called compassionated God?
IMHO It would be worse than a ruthless Judge sentencing you to 1000 lashes because you called him "a bit of a duffer".
 

Beta

Well-Known Member
I believe Humans are given to exaggeration and the churches are no different. Most of the RC teachings go back many centuries when people were much more ignorant and relied on the "learned" clergy who used scriptures for their own advantage to enrich their coffers. I come from an RC background and some of my family on the continent are still deducted "Church-Tax" on their wages even today.
So it was definitely beneficial to the RC church to scare simple people and threaten them with eternal torture in hellfire to rob them of their hard-earned pennies.
Of course it is not quite as simple as all that and is rather a long story. When Christ returns all doubt, error and false beliefs will be dealt with and with that a new future for mankind.:yes:
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
I have been teaching in a catholic secondary environment and found the headmistress believes the earth is only 6000years old.

This is understandable and somewhat irrelevant in that it really doesn't matter since the future is the goal not the past.

Deliberate ignorance of scientific theory is not only stupid but makes one look a bit foolish. But they are often nice people with good hearts with a disability of realising reality.

cheers
 

Reptillian

Hamburgler Extraordinaire
I'd say that Heaven and Hell stem from a childlike sense of morality. Personally, I tend to think that ethics goes a bit deeper than just reward and punishment. A toddler does good because he might get a cookie and avoids bad because he might get spanked.
 

St Giordano Bruno

Well-Known Member
I believe Humans are given to exaggeration and the churches are no different. Most of the RC teachings go back many centuries when people were much more ignorant and relied on the "learned" clergy who used scriptures for their own advantage to enrich their coffers. I come from an RC background and some of my family on the continent are still deducted "Church-Tax" on their wages even today.
So it was definitely beneficial to the RC church to scare simple people and threaten them with eternal torture in hellfire to rob them of their hard-earned pennies.
Of course it is not quite as simple as all that and is rather a long story. When Christ returns all doubt, error and false beliefs will be dealt with and with that a new future for mankind.:yes:

2000 years to keep going on and on exaggerating it, that figures.
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
The only thing that scares me more about the catholic interpretation of the age and geology of Ulara is the indigenous perspective which is even more absurd.

Cheers
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Hi, there's a great documentary called "History of the Devil" that goes into the evolution of the Christian Satan. Naturally it also includes descriptions of the evolution of Hell through the ages. It's an interesting documentary :)

[youtube]-yvttTLHuSA[/youtube]
YouTube - History of the Devil (1/6)
 

Midnight Pete

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Why does Hell have to be so terrible?

Because that's what it's like when you're separated from the love of God for all eternity. People choose this fate for themselves all the time, so why all the whinging? You should be proud of yourselves for defying God to the very end, if you are so pleased with yourselves for being atheists and anti-christs.
 

St Giordano Bruno

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Hi, there's a great documentary called "History of the Devil" that goes into the evolution of the Christian Satan. Naturally it also includes descriptions of the evolution of Hell through the ages. It's an interesting documentary :)

[youtube]-yvttTLHuSA[/youtube]
YouTube - History of the Devil (1/6)

Just as I thought the Christian religion quite possibly came about by Judaism getting tainted by Zoroastrianism with the concept of an supreme spirit of darkness called Angra Mainyu
 
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james2ko

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How can they justify the existence of such of horrible place by a so called compassionated God?

Because traditional Christianity has twisted the concept of hell. In the original languages, the bible speaks of no such place for humans. The hell, so commonly thought of today, is reserved for satan and his demons.
 

St Giordano Bruno

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I can remember as a kid "grown ups" told me if I kept pulling a stupid face and the wind changes it would stay that way. Later I was told it was not true and was just done to make us behave as we were getting out family photo taken, as kids often do they pull ridiculous faces. Soon after the my childhood belief that if that a simple wind change would make me look ugly forever was exposed as a fallacy I began to question if they were lying about Hell as well.
 
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Midnight Pete

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I can remember as a kid "grown ups" told me if I kept pulling a stupid face and the wind changes it would stay that way. Later I was told it not true and was just done to make us behave as we were getting out family photo taken, as kids often do they pull ridiculous faces. Soon after the my childhood belief that if that a simple wind change would make me look ugly forever was exposed as a fallacy I began to question if they were lying about Hell as well.

There is one way to find out. But I don't recommend it.
 

Erebus

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Just as I thought the Christian religion quite possibly came about by Judaism getting tainted by Zoroastrianism with the concept of an supreme spirit of darkness called Angra Mainyu

That IMHO is the main influence yes, however, as Tiapan pointed out, Hell and Satan have been influenced by many different cultures over the years including Egyptian, Greek and even Norse culture.
 

St Giordano Bruno

Well-Known Member
Actually I take my words back that Hell is like a ruthless Judge sentencing you to 1000 lashes because you called him "a bit of a duffer". It would be more like a ruthless Judge sentencing you to a million lashes if you told him his "tie was a little crooked"
How can this God have such a high degree of narcissistic personality disorder to be sensitive enough to sentence you to an eternity in Hell if you uttered his name in vane as you stubbed your toe?
 

Etritonakin

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Because traditional Christianity has twisted the concept of hell. In the original languages, the bible speaks of no such place for humans. The hell, so commonly thought of today, is reserved for satan and his demons.

Biblically, the words translated as or associated with "hell" are "sheol"/"hades" -which refer to the grave, "tartaros" -which is the place or state of restraint of the sinning angels, and "gehenna" -which is actually the name of a place outside Jerusalem where trash was continually burned, but refers to the lake of fire into which the beast and false prophet are cast first -Satan also about a thousand years later -and men whose works make them deserving of such in God's view.

Luk 12:5But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. (Hell here =gehenna [not hades -which is also translated "hell"])

HOWEVER... There are many verses which suggest that, though the fire is never quenched, at least not all who are cast into it remain there literally "forever" -as in with no possibility of being removed from it to life or death.

Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Mar 9:50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

The above suggests that even the gehenna lake of fire might work good. It says their worm dieth not (they do not decay) and the fire is not quenched -that everyone is salted with fire (though not all by the gehenna fire) -and that salt is good. Those who repent before the judgment have no need to be cast there (no human beside the beast and false prophet will be cast into gehenna until the judgment -which is after the millenium) -and being cast into the lake of fire might be the point at which some finally do repent. Here are some verses suggesting so...

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

"The fire" is not necessarily the gehenna fire -though it includes gehenna, but is God's judgment generally -as it says...

Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

...but gehenna is essentially an ultimatum. God will not allow evil into eternity -and anyone not willing to repent will be cast into the lake of fire.

There are only so many potential options -living forever, dying, being tormented forever... However, God gave us a choice between two things -life and death -and this should be considered when understanding gehenna.
We can live forever if we choose to do right -or we can die. Gehenna will not be quenched, but we will eventually die completely -be utterly destroyed -if we absolutely refuse to repent. Some believe the body can die, but the "soul"(actually "spirit") is immortal -but this is not the case. Both the body and spirit can be completely destroyed in gehenna -as it says...

Mat 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroyboth soul and body in hell. (soul=G5590=psuche/spirit, hell=G1067=gehenna)

The following says that some will have their part in the lake of fire...

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

In the above, "shall have their part in" might suggest that not all who are cast into gehenna remain there without end. The bible also says that death and the grave will also be cast into gehenna -and utterly destroyed. For those who absolutely refuse to repent, it will be their complete end. It will also be the end of death -the end of people going to the grave.

No one has been cast there yet.

Everything God does is to give every angel and man every chance to choose rightly. His will is that we all live forever, but we must choose. Perhaps, having not responded to anything else and faced with this ultimatum (and obvious proof of God's existence), etc... all men will repent. This certainly puts the following into perspective...

1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

We must choose, and God will utterly destroy all who utterly refuse to do rightly -but perhaps God knows what it will take for each of us to choose rightly -and will bring it to pass.

The ultimatum of gehennna is quite necessary.
 
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