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Why does it matter if Christianity is a sun worshiping religion?

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
The connections between sun worship, other sun deities, and Christianity are more than apparent to any who look for them. My concern is why this should matter in any way, shape, or form. It's not like Christianity blatantly worships the sun like other religions have / do, in fact using the sun and stars as the basis for a religion who believes in an intelligent and interactive god makes perfect sense (in context). Why can't the three stages of the sun be the foundation of the Trinity? Is the sun manipulable by god? Why does it matter if the there wise men are the stars of Orion's belt? Perhaps God simply wanted to help physically illustrate spiritual truths.

My question is actually mainly direct by Christians who fight to the death against such views of Christianity. Why does it matter?
 

Thana

Lady
The connections between sun worship, other sun deities, and Christianity are more than apparent to any who look for them. My concern is why this should matter in any way, shape, or form. It's not like Christianity blatantly worships the sun like other religions have / do, in fact using the sun and stars as the basis for a religion who believes in an intelligent and interactive god makes perfect sense (in context). Why can't the three stages of the sun be the foundation of the Trinity? Is the sun manipulable by god? Why does it matter if the there wise men are the stars of Orion's belt? Perhaps God simply wanted to help physically illustrate spiritual truths.

My question is actually mainly direct by Christians who fight to the death against such views of Christianity. Why does it matter?

Because it's well, crap.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Because it's well, crap.

How in the world is christianitt NOT a sun worshiping religion. The obsession with death / ressurection mirrors the daily sunset / dawn. The Trinity represents the three stages of the sun. The dark vs light mentality represents the worship of light and the fear of its absence. The birth of the savior is celebrated at the time representing the yearly rebirth of the sun. The christian holidays generally correspond to the different worship days of the sun throughout the year. Jesus in all white and shinning is a common occurrence in sun worshiping religions. The list just goes on

The only question is why is it so hard to argue that God made the sun act in certain ways relative to our planet in order to tell us spiritual truths?
 

Thana

Lady
How in the world is christianitt NOT a sun worshiping religion. The obsession with death / ressurection mirrors the daily sunset / dawn. The Trinity represents the three stages of the sun. The dark vs light mentality represents the worship of light and the fear of its absence. The birth of the savior is celebrated at the time representing the yearly rebirth of the sun. The christian holidays generally correspond to the different worship days of the sun throughout the year. Jesus in all white and shinning is a common occurrence in sun worshiping religions. The list just goes on

The only question is why is it so hard to argue that God made the sun act in certain ways relative to our planet in order to tell us spiritual truths?

Sorry but I'm just really not interested in wasting my time on this. I shouldn't have commented in the first place and I apologize.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Sorry but I'm just really not interested in wasting my time on this. I shouldn't have commented in the first place and I apologize.
Riiiiiiiiight. Fun as always, Thana. Don't make claims you can't even begin to defend.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The connections between sun worship, other sun deities, and Christianity are more than apparent to any who look for them
Looks to me like you are force fitting a batch of things that aren't related, just similar.
What are "stages of the sun"?

Tom
 
Christianity Not Sun Worship
sun-worship two.jpg

From a unconventional religious stand point/ Why does it matter if Christianity is a sun worshipping religion?, it
dose matters considering that most dates celebrated by Christian were incorporated into Christian practise in order to win non believers of the Christian faith and pagans over to the belief of the Christ god, at this point it is worth noting that the paganism is in truth the belief of followers of defeated Greek gods and in truth does not apply to the plains Indian belief counting those few non Christian religion who don’t pray to any immortalised stone images such as Zeus, Apollo or Hades (ect), on the issues why does it matter if Christianity is sun worship? It matters why because it is not sun worship regardless of the fact that as I said earlier non Christian dates where brought over to Christianity from non Christian faiths (ref: Sir James Frazer’ The Golden Bough, A Study In Magic Art And Religion ) on the matter of sun worship, Christianity condemns all non Christian faiths as not being the way which bears a considerably large significance which in truth affects how belief is seen within the Christian arena, why does it matter? It matters because it is not sun worship; all beliefs of true sun worship have been and are still seen as a forms of paganism or false idolatry belief to the Christian denominations, the problem is the mainstream Christian denominations view point or anyone ignorant of the fact of lack of knowledge on the subject, (eg) “I have a sun god tattoo’’ which to the unknowing is term fire head however it is simply a modern depiction of the sun which through the ages as I previously said is a resident part of non Christian belief, from the plains Indians point of religious stand point the ritual of sun dance is a form of worship as part of belief in all of natures creations, to the Egyptian the eye of Ra, to the Mayans and Aztecs the Dios De Sol (The Sun God) and so forth , if there is one thing I have observed during the course of time and that is the adamant refusal of the Christian denominations to accept anything as truth except their biblical teachings of the story of the creations though be it a part truth, I am sure the question answers itself when any of us think of the painstaking efforts of the Christian church to eradicate what they believe to be the wrong way, the early witch hunt trials, the Spanish inquisitions, the pilgrims and Spanish converting the so called Indian savage of their so called heathen ways are all examples of the Christian refusal of non Christian beliefs and to produce proof of fact of belief the Christian plan of afterlife is not in the least remotely the similar to the life after death belief of sun worshipers in their varied forms ,the Christian plan holds within it biblical teachings a heaven like paradise where all rest meekly on green pastures in a heavenly land of milk and honey whereas in the traditional forms of sun worship in their varied religious practices the afterlife can be either entering to the spirit world or becoming part of natures forces of the earth and cosmos, so Why does it matter if Christianity is a sun worshipping religion? It matters in as much that it is not sun worship and this view is would be greatly misunderstood if it were seen as such.
(typical image of sun worship mostly known)
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
It matters why because it is not sun worship regardless of the fact that as I said earlier non Christian dates where brought over to Christianity from non Christian faiths (ref: Sir James Frazer’ The Golden Bough, A Study In Magic Art And Religion ) on the matter of sun worship, Christianity condemns all non Christian faiths as not being the way which bears a considerably large significance which in truth affects how belief is seen within the Christian arena, why does it matter?
Well, that was clear. I guess we can finally put the thread to rest.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Perhaps the OP was about how Christianity changed when the Sun God of Emperor Constantine took it over?

You know what those halos around everybody's heads represent? The Sun, that's what. You know why the Sabbath got moved to "Sun"day?
Christianity is a syncretic religion composed partly of Jesus, partly of Paulism, partly of Sun Worship, and mainly of the political agendas of the European aristocracy.
Tom
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
Seems to me there is quite a difference between "some writers and artists in this tradition have used solar metaphors", and "this tradition worships the sun". The biggest problem with accusing Christians of this, to me, is that it does not respect that Christians already have cosmologies and perspectives on astronomy/astrology. Many, indeed, over the years. Claiming personification where indeed there is a rich philosophical history of non-personification against polytheist adversity is betraying a serious lack of historical education.

Why, indeed, the sun? Why not claim that Christians worship the sea? What with the fish, nets, boats, and anchors that have typified Christian art since before it was Christianity? Or the moon, since the single most widely celebrated Christian festival follows a lunar cycle? Or the earth, since metaphors of harvest, grain, workers, burial and regrowth, and lambings are integral to understanding Jesus' teachings?
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
The connections between sun worship, other sun deities, and Christianity are more than apparent to any who look for them. My concern is why this should matter in any way, shape, or form. It's not like Christianity blatantly worships the sun like other religions have / do, in fact using the sun and stars as the basis for a religion who believes in an intelligent and interactive god makes perfect sense (in context). Why can't the three stages of the sun be the foundation of the Trinity? Is the sun manipulable by god? Why does it matter if the there wise men are the stars of Orion's belt? Perhaps God simply wanted to help physically illustrate spiritual truths.

My question is actually mainly direct by Christians who fight to the death against such views of Christianity. Why does it matter?
What on Earth are you talking about? The bible nor a single Christian I know or have ever met worships the Sun. We worship the son of God not a ball of hydrogen. Where in the universe did you come up with this?
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
What on Earth are you talking about? The bible nor a single Christian I know or have ever met worships the Sun. We worship the son of God not a ball of hydrogen. Where in the universe did you come up with this?
You would be wrong. My mother does, each Easter morning when they have a sunrise service on Sebago lake. And btw, that is taken directly from pagan lore about Beltane which was the basis for Easter in the first place. Many churches continue to have sunrise services. Please explain how you know without a shred of doubt that God could not be contained within the sun?? Or a part of it? You seem so hooked on God being flesh and blood being that it staggers the imagination to be that closed minded when the simple truth is you have no proof of any of this.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
You would be wrong. My mother does, each Easter morning when they have a sunrise service on Sebago lake. And btw, that is taken directly from pagan lore about Beltane which was the basis for Easter in the first place. Many churches continue to have sunrise services. Please explain how you know without a shred of doubt that God could not be contained within the sun?? Or a part of it? You seem so hooked on God being flesh and blood being that it staggers the imagination to be that closed minded when the simple truth is you have no proof of any of this.

1. I did not say that a Christian (if your claiming your Mom is one) does not worship the Sun. I said Christianity does not teach sun worship. It in fact emphatically condemns it. A Christian can do all sorts of things but doing them does not make the actions consistent with Christianity. There is not one verse in the bible that even lowly interpreted would suggest anyone worship the sun. Doing so is considered a grave sin in the bible. A Christian can do anything but doing this is contradictory to the bible not consistent with it. It is not my business to judge whether a person is a Christian or not but it is easily within my capacity to point out sun worship is forbidden by the bible.


2. Easter is not nor ever was based on anything in paganism. There is no Easter in the bible. Soon after Christ died small communities celebrated his rising from death but it was only much later that any kind of universal celebration was enacted and the word Easter applied to it. It got tangled up with paganism because the Catholic authorities wanting to make the celebration more appealing to pagans played around with its date, meaning, ceremonies, etc........ However the original recognition of Christ's rising from death had nothing what so ever to do with paganism, as it took place in regions completely hostile to paganism in it's early years.

3. A sun rise service has nothing what so ever with worshiping the Sun. The word sunrise appears in that phrase because of two things. The monks that began it stayed up all night praying and then celebrated Christ's resurrection when the sun rose, and because it is believed Christ rose in the morning. Nothing to do with worshiping the sun.

4. I am concerned with God in the flesh because I am flesh and that is exactly the intent God had when he came here. He came in the flesh so we may better relate to him and he may better exhibit the standard we should follow. If he was a rock or a camel he would be less relatable and not a very good example. BTW I am not obsessed with God being flesh, I don't even know what that means exactly. I think of God as a spirit generally but I think of him as the suffering messiah as well. BTW Jesus' flesh was not God, God took on human flesh in the form of Jesus.

5. I am sure God is in the sun because he is omnipresent. But not only does it make no since to worship God by worshiping a ball of gas that will cease to exist in a few billion years, it is strictly condemned in the bible. That is idol worship and one of the least logic forms of it I can think of.

Now you might react emotionally to this since your mother is involved but I am not judging your mother. She may be twice the Christian I am, but if she worships the sun I can judge that specific act as condemned in many ways by Christianity. IN fact let me give you 1 of the many scriptures that pertain to this.

New Living Translation
They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
 
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