mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I don't know that God exists nor do I know that God doesn't exist. One version of science is to accept of a given question we don't know.
So you are attacking a version of science I don't use.
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Why Does Religion Exist
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I don't know that God exists nor do I know that God doesn't exist. One version of science is to accept of a given question we don't know.
So you are attacking a version of science I don't use.
Yerda
Veteran Member
What exactly is the trait that evolution selects?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
If you click on the arrows in the quotes, you can go back and follow the discussion.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Right. And not just you. That NO one into science uses. Tinker seems not to understand how science works.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Science makes NO CLAIM that God doesn't exist. Science is a specific method to determine facts about the natural world. Anything that is supernatural, including God, is simply outside its purview. While many scientists are atheist, most are theists.
Are you aware of the form of illogical thinking called the Strawman Fallacy? It's when a person creates a fake assertion that they impute to their interlocutor and then proceed to attack it so that they don't have to address the real points the other is making. IOW they create a "strawman" that they can then knock down. Doing this, as you did above, does not score any points for you.
Yerda
Veteran Member
I was following it. It just wasn't clear to me what trait was being selected and I was hoping you could elaborate.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
And then superstition came into existence.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The instinct towards religion. Reference my reply in post #98.
Basically, evolutionary biologist David Sloan Wilson teaches that evolution selects for religious ideation. It is adaptive largely because religion helps to form cooperative groups, and cooperative groups out compete non-cooperative groups every time. IOW, it exists due to group selection.
What does this have to do with the topic?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Superstition is the very first alternative in poll.
Yerda
Veteran Member
Seems plausible enough at first glance.
True. I'm just confused as to why you chose reply to my post to assert this rather than replying to the OP.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Ah. Let me elaborate then. You have said: "As I see it, religion came to be as a result of a humankind's desire to understand the nature of their being, the nature of the world in which they lived, and their purpose in this world."
I disagree with you a bit here. In that religion is not the result of that, but rather superstition. And superstition gave birth to religion.
Do you have any evidence to substantiate your disagreement and subsequent claim? Or are you just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Sorry friend, but that's not how it works.
I was offering my ideas in response to the OP on why religion exists. I never made a claim. I never made an assertion that my ideas were objectively evident.
You came along and decided to refute these ideas. Since you made claim, the onus is on you to substantiate that claim.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I didn't come along and decided to refute your ideas, but rather used them to expound my perspective. Neither have I claimed that it was objectively evident.
Okie dokie.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
No I’m simply making an observation and what you said would be correct.
Nobody can know for certain until they are dead.
Good that means people can’t claim there is no God and be credible then.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Given that there is no proof either of the existence of God or non-existence of God, both the claim that "There is a God" and "there is no God" are equally indefensible. Most people have whichever beliefs their friends and family hold. Of those who actually do care about evidence, there are a number of ways a person may opt for one side or the other without actual proof.
You might want to read the thread I began on Agnostic Theism, in which I talk about some of these issues in more detail.
Agnostic Theism
Are there any other Agnostic Theists around? I'd like to meet you. And for those of you that are not, what do you think of Agnostic Theism? I originally wrote the following in another post to reply to an individual's question. I would like to paste it here because it really does a good job...
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