Why does the Bible say that the sun moves?

[Skwim]

Very well, if indeed Genesis was put together around 1400 BC then the world believed in Geocentrism at that point. That aside, what is the point here?

Well you're the one who started the conversation with the question, "Where does it state that the sun moves?" and I've simply been trying to explain it to you.

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[A Vestigial Mote]

Most people now think the planets revolve around the sun, in roughly circular or elliptical orbits.

This is incorrect.

The video is very misleading, or possibly not well informed. An easy to get-your-hand-on fact about our solar system handily displays this:

The Solar System moves through the galaxy with about a 60° angle between the galactic plane and the planetary orbital plane.

So, if looking at the layout of the entire Milky Way galaxy as a "plane" (again, a matter of perspective, when taking into account the alignment of orbitals) then our solar system's motion happens as the "plane" of our system is at about a 60 degree tilt to the extrapolated "plane" of the galaxy. So... the motion of the solar system around the galaxy is merely another layer of orbit. Our entire solar system acts as an "object" orbiting the much larger core gravitational unit(s) of the galaxy. The whole mess of our Solar System, with all its components in the relative "equilibrium" we experience is hurling through the galaxy at one speed (514,000 mph - with respect to the galactic core as if stationary), and then on the smaller scale, closer to home, we orbit the sun at another relative speed (about 67,000 mph - with respect to the sun as if stationary).

 

[Cooky]

Psalms 19:4-5 KJV
Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 KJV
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
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God commanded the sun to stand still for a short time:

Joshua 10:12-13 KJV
Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

The sun does move, around the galactic center.

 

[Howard Is]

The video is very misleading, or possibly not well informed. An easy to get-your-hand-on fact about our solar system handily displays this:

I didn’t watch the whole thing myself. I just chose one of the vids with the animation of the helical motion of the planets.

In what way is the video misleading ? I didn’t see any information re galactic plane.

 

[Ouroboros]

Most people now think the planets revolve around the sun, in roughly circular or elliptical orbits.

This is incorrect.
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Now add the galaxy moving towards Andromeda.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I didn’t watch the whole thing myself. I just chose one of the vids with the animation of the helical motion of the planets.

In what way is the video misleading ? I didn’t see any information re galactic plane.

The video basically shows the sun moving in an odd straight-ish line, with the "plane" of its rotating planets at a 90 degree angle to its line of motion. That isn't accurate at all. The "tilt" (again, relative term here - can't stress that enough) of our solar system is very much like the way that the Earth is tilted on its axis within its orbit. Same exact sort of scenario actually. Where our days/nights get shorter or longer depending on where we are on Earth and the Earth's position relative to the sun in its orbit, because the sun shines longer on the side that is tilted toward it, darker/shorter days on the side tilted away from it. The solar system has it's own sort of "tilt" when supposing that the orbital "plane" established by the motion of the sun's planets is perpendicular to the axis of the solar system's spin.

 

[Native]

The video basically shows the sun moving in an odd straight-ish line, with the "plane" of its rotating planets at a 90 degree angle to its line of motion. That isn't accurate at all. The "tilt" (again, relative term here - can't stress that enough) of our solar system is very much like the way that the Earth is tilted on its axis within its orbit. Same exact sort of scenario actually. Where our days/nights get shorter or longer depending on where we are on Earth and the Earth's position relative to the sun in its orbit, because the sun shines longer on the side that is tilted toward it, darker/shorter days on the side tilted away from it. The solar system has it's own sort of "tilt" when supposing that the orbital "plane" established by the motion of the sun's planets is perpendicular to the axis of the solar system's spin.

The planets orbits the Sun in almost the same plane - which is about 60 degree different from the galactic plane. As the entire Solar System orbits the Milky Way center on its galactic plane, the spiraling motion in the video is fair and OK.

 

[Howard Is]

The video basically shows the sun moving in an odd straight-ish line, with the "plane" of its rotating planets at a 90 degree angle to its line of motion. That isn't accurate at all. The "tilt" (again, relative term here - can't stress that enough) of our solar system is very much like the way that the Earth is tilted on its axis within its orbit. Same exact sort of scenario actually. Where our days/nights get shorter or longer depending on where we are on Earth and the Earth's position relative to the sun in its orbit, because the sun shines longer on the side that is tilted toward it, darker/shorter days on the side tilted away from it. The solar system has it's own sort of "tilt" when supposing that the orbital "plane" established by the motion of the sun's planets is perpendicular to the axis of the solar system's spin.

I think that the vid was really to make the helical orbits clear.
Regarding the plane of the planets’ orbits, it looks correct enough to me. At any given moment the planets are aligned in a plane relative to the sun. You must have very good eyes to be concerned that the plane seems too close to 90 degrees. But a depiction using a 90 degree plane is certainly acceptable to me given the intent of the vid. Obviously modelling was done based on real data, but perhaps not with the rigorous precision needed if you wanted to slingshot yourself to Alpha Centauri.

The Sun does move in a ‘straightish’ line over a period of, say, a year. I would expect you would need to see it’s trajectory plotted over millenia to see much of a curve.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

So, did anyone watch my video? I mean, it was at the end of the page.

Basically it mentioned that the sun given the idea of Earth's orbit, should arc higher during the summer and dip during the winter. This upside down arc is witnessed by... absolutely no one, actually, because it isn't real.

Also, in order to orbit the sun, the Earth has to be smaller and less dense than the sun. First off, solids are more dense than most liquids which are more dense than most gases ( which are more dense than plasma). Going by this, gravity should be reversed even if the sun were much bigger, but it doesn't even appear to be much bigger than the moon (as noted during an eclipse).

Also, the winter according to this model would have the day inverted, as in, the sun rising at 12 hours difference in, which is also noticed by... absolutely no one. Let's face it, heliocentrism basically doesn't work.

What does work, is a pendulum-like model of the sun circling the Earth, with it possibly above the equator at some points and below it at others. Longer days, and shorter days because of longer orbit, but the arc of the sun would be unaffected. This also means that while the Earth may be a sphere, we live inside it (the sun would only appear to rise and set if we were facing flat and it was at an angle from us, rotating in a circle completely around the Earth's surface), so flat Earth types are right. The bottom of the Earth is all rock, and the top is atmosphere, and all space pictures are lies.

 

[Howard Is]

Basically it mentioned that the sun given the idea of Earth's orbit, should arc higher during the summer and dip during the winter. This upside down arc is witnessed by... absolutely no one, actually, because it isn't real.

Yes it is. I observe it every year. I live in the Southern Hemisphere. My street runs east-west, and looking down the street to the western horizon, the sun sets to the north of that line in winter, being furthest north at the winter solstice. In summer, the opposite.

Put a pole in the ground somewhere you can leave it for a year. Mark the shadow it casts say early morning or near sunset every day. You’ll see it for yourself.

Also, in order to orbit the sun, the Earth has to be smaller and less dense than the sun. First off, solids are more dense than most liquids which are more dense than most gases ( which are more dense than plasma). Going by this, gravity should be reversed even if the sun were much bigger, but it doesn't even appear to be much bigger than the moon (as noted during an eclipse)..

How do you figure that ?
Sure, the Sun is mostly plasma, but it still has a mass of 1.989 × 10^30 kg.
The mass of the earth is 5.972 × 10^24 kg.
The Sun has way more mass.

It appears about the same size as the moon because it’s MUCH further away.

Also, the winter according to this model would have the day inverted, as in, the sun rising at 12 hours difference in, which is also noticed by... absolutely no one. Let's face it, heliocentrism basically doesn't work..

Why would the sun rise be twelve hours different ?

What does work, is a pendulum-like model of the sun circling the Earth, with it possibly above the equator at some points and below it at others. Longer days, and shorter days because of longer orbit, but the arc of the sun would be unaffected. This also means that while the Earth may be a sphere, we live inside it (the sun would only appear to rise and set if we were facing flat and it was at an angle from us), so flat Earth types are right. The bottom of the Earth is all rock, and the top is atmosphere, and all space pictures are lies.

Unfortunately, you have been duped by flat earthers.

 

[Howard Is]

Let me explain. A round Earth theory tells you that what you see with your own eyes is in fact backwards, that rather than watching other objects orbit us (mainly our sun and moon), instead we are spinning at a blinding 1000 mph without getting motion sick or clouds moving at high speed, and our actual orbit is faster than any space shuttle is built to keep up (yet somehow several successful re-entries have been managed). Also, if we are to take round Earth to its logical conclusion, the bottom half of the world lives upside-down and water cannot stay inside the Earth because it's convex.

What happens if you stand in a moving bus and throw a ball up a foot or two to catch it ?
Basically, even if the bus is travelling at 60 miles per hour, the ball goes up and down in relation to you perfectly normally.
Try it.
If what you are saying were true, the ball would fly to the back of the bus at 60 miles per hour.
Wouldn’t it ?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

The planets orbits the Sun in almost the same plane - which is about 60 degree different from the galactic plane. As the entire Solar System orbits the Milky Way center on its galactic plane, the spiraling motion in the video is fair and OK.

No, it isn't at all. If you agree with me then you would have to admit that the sun's relative direction motion is not perpendicular to the "orbital plane" of our solar system's members. As stated previously, the Earth does the same sort of thing around the sun... if you were to pretend there was only an equatorial "slice" of the Earth and that that flat slice/disc was a "plane", then that plane would be at a particular degree "tilt" with respect to the "plane" of the solar system (again, relative to the orbits of the planets).

In the video, they basically depict the sun travelling "pole first." Meaning that the axis of the sun's spin is aligned with the direction of travel. This is not the case.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I think that the vid was really to make the helical orbits clear.
Regarding the plane of the planets’ orbits, it looks correct enough to me. At any given moment the planets are aligned in a plane relative to the sun. You must have very good eyes to be concerned that the plane seems too close to 90 degrees. But a depiction using a 90 degree plane is certainly acceptable to me given the intent of the vid. Obviously modelling was done based on real data, but perhaps not with the rigorous precision needed if you wanted to slingshot yourself to Alpha Centauri.

The Sun does move in a ‘straightish’ line over a period of, say, a year. I would expect you would need to see it’s trajectory plotted over millenia to see much of a curve.

What I meant by "straight-ish" had more to do with the perception you get from the video that the sun is traveling through space "pole first." That isn't, at all, the case. The axis of spin is not aligned with the direction of travel. Hence the 60 degrees "tilt" that is perceived when comparing the "plane" artificially observed as the disc of orbital activity around the galactic center, perpendicular to the axis of its spin, with the "plane" artificially observed as the disc of orbital activity around the sun, perpendicular to the axis of its spin. Those two "planes" are at 60 degrees difference to one another. The motion in the video would make it 90 degrees, and align the sun's axis of spin with its orbital path. It just isn't accurate. They even give the impression that the sun has a tail extending from its trailing pole - which succinctly displays that they are aligning the sun's poles with the direction of travel. Tip the entire solar system (including the sun of course) 60 degrees in that video and you have me on board.

 

[Howard Is]

What I meant by "straight-ish" had more to do with the perception you get from the video that the sun is traveling through space "pole first." That isn't, at all, the case. The axis of spin is not aligned with the direction of travel. Hence the 60 degrees "tilt" that is perceived when comparing the "plane" artificially observed as the disc of orbital activity around the galactic center, perpendicular to the axis of its spin, with the "plane" artificially observed as the disc of orbital activity around the sun, perpendicular to the axis of its spin. Those two "planes" are at 60 degrees difference to one another. The motion in the video would make it 90 degrees, and align the sun's axis of spin with its orbital path. It just isn't accurate.

Yeah I get that. And credit to you for your rigor.
As an aside, I really like visualising complex shapes and movements, even 3D shapes which are the intersection of other shapes.
On a few special occasions it has been fully cinematic.
Brains are wonderful things.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Yes it is. I observe it every year. I live in the Southern Hemisphere. My street runs east-west, and looking down the street to the western horizon, the sun sets to the north of that line in winter, being furthest north at the winter solstice. In summer, the opposite.



It appears about the same size as the moon because it’s MUCH further away.



Why would the sun rise be twelve hours different ?




Unfortunately, you have been duped by flat earthers.

I've been "duped" by nobody. You on the other hand have been duped by NASA (or the equivalent), your 3rd grade science teacher (who only got the job because she sucked at real skills), and many many other people.

So ummm, do you also hang upside-down like a bat? Because this is what the southern hemisphere entails under a round Earth. You know, because gravity is magic. Also, all compasses point south, since South Pole is the nearest one. Oh wait, that's not actually true despite some scam artists trying to tell you that you need a different compass. I know their game, they want to sell more compasses! A compass always points north in the northern hemisphere with the north tip and south in the southern hemisphere with the south tip (meaning it always works exactly the same everywhere except for maybe weight balance). At least, until you hit a magnet or the North Pole. What does this mean? Well it means that the North Pole is equidistant to all other points below it. So what does this require? It requires north to be at the center of the Earth. Like this.

How do you figure that ?
Sure, the Sun is mostly plasma, but it still has a mass of 1.989 × 10^30 kg.
The mass of the earth is 5.972 × 10^24 kg.
The Sun has way more mass.

And you know the exact mass of the sun because... because some book told you that. Not because you personally went to the sun to verify. In other words, you take someone elses' word for it, and you say I'm the one being duped? How did they even measure? That sounds like an extrapolation.

The only reason that the sun must have more mass, is so that scientists have concluded to as it says exert gravitational force, it must be much larger than the Earth and the moon and more massive. But which is more convincing, that the sun and moon only appear the same size (despite fitting perfectly during an eclipse) or that they actually ARE the same size?

Put a pole in the ground somewhere you can leave it for a year. Mark the shadow it casts say early morning or near sunset every day. You’ll see it for yourself.

I'm not talking about the shadow it casts. I am talking about how the sun rises in the sky.

During winter and summer, the sun should be in completely opposite positions according to the heliocentric model. Yet it is rotating exactly the same way, correct? This would imply that not only is the sun going west to east during one part of the year, and east to west in another, (what, you southern hemisphere ppl have never seen this?!?) but the eastern hemisphere which was ahead several hours in time should now flip because of position (what I meant by the 12 hour thing, though it's not necessary 12). Basically, the model has the sun as a fixed point, but rotating the same direction from two different positions leads to different effects. Or, you can't expect to do the same thing under completely different situations (say, telling everyone in a room full of liberals then again in a room full of conservatives that the same political candidate sucks) and expect the same results (one of these rooms will kill you). Same rotation, different position, means a different effect. I'm not an astronomer, so I can't tell you what the effect is, but I cannot imagine that the Earth rotating around the sun would look the same all year.

I am saying that geocentrism even works if you are a round Earther. Whereas heliocentrism doesn't work even if you believe in a round Earth. The science just isn't there.

There's several reasons why whether you believe in flat Earth or not, you should at the very least refuse to believe that we are seeing everything backwards, and actually orbiting the sun.
Heliocentric theory is wrong (pt1) – The Wild Heretic

1. Where is the constant wind - Okay, since you had that wonderful pole test, I want you to get in a car, with the window open and drive in a circle at 60 mph without wrecking and tell me what you feel. If you say "wind" I think you've got why this cannot work? At all times, riding with the Earth, you should feel a constant wind. You don't. And you'll probably tell me that it's because the human race and animals have adapted to this. Okay, so what about inanimate objects? Shouldn't that chair you are sitting at be blown around by stellar winds?
   
2. Hovering, floating, or falling - a helicopter hovering over the ground should be able to notice the rotation of the Earth as it is no longer attached to it. And, if you're going to say that somehow it gets moved along with it, well... it would have to combat a push of 1675km/h for Earth's spin. But wait! There's more, in addition to spinning around 1000 mph or whatever, in order to make it around the sun in a year, it has to go roughly 66000 mph meaning that chopper would get flung sideways well before it got off the ground! Not only that but with all this spin, you would need to account for displacement on flight times... nope, same amount of time either way (it should actually be cutting the plane's speed in half, greatly increasing trip length).
   
3. The stars - Supposedly, if the Earth rotates, during different times of year, you should be able to see different stars. However, while they do rotate, 6 months later, the same stars are in the sky. Remember how I mentioned that the Earth (supposedly) not only spins but also rotates? Well, ever day, we should be closer to different stars, to the point where we couldn't identify specific constellations because they would change every day. Not true, is it? You can probably rattle off many of the southern hemisphere stars, and you never see any northern hemisphere ones, which would be the case if the Earth constantly shifts.

(There's one more bullet point, but I'm not convinced by that one, since it basically lists various screwy science experiments, including pendulums and filling telescopes with water)

So, again, who is the duped one? You believe what people tell you because they have lab coats, without trying to draw it out and figure out if it matches what you've actually seen. Have you seen beyond tornado force winds ripping stuff up on a daily basis? Then #1 is true. Have you seen planes flying backwards? Then #2 is true. And have you seen different stars every night? Then either all of these stars orbit the Earth, or something's wrong here. And lastly, have you seen a significant time displacement (I'm not talking about shorter days, I'm talking about later sunrises and sunsets) or the sun rising in the opposite direction? Cuz, I haven't noticed these things. I'm not a genius, but I did draw a picture, and found that nicer orbit picture above had four different solar patterns over the course of the year (including two at right angles from the others), which unless Earth's rotation suddenly flipped would mean people would be able to notice a difference in position of the Earth.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I've been "duped" by nobody. You on the other hand have been duped by NASA (or the equivalent), your 3rd grade science teacher (who only got the job because she sucked at real skills), and many many other people.

So ummm, do you also hang upside-down like a bat? Because this is what the southern hemisphere entails under a round Earth. You know, because gravity is magic. Also, all compasses point south, since South Pole is the nearest one. Oh wait, that's not actually true despite some scam artists trying to tell you that you need a different compass. I know their game, they want to sell more compasses! A compass always points north in the northern hemisphere with the north tip and south in the southern hemisphere with the south tip (meaning it always works exactly the same everywhere except for maybe weight balance). At least, until you hit a magnet or the North Pole. What does this mean? Well it means that the North Pole is equidistant to all other points below it. So what does this require? It requires north to be at the center of the Earth. Like this.

And you know the exact mass of the sun because... because some book told you that. Not because you personally went to the sun to verify. In other words, you take someone elses' word for it, and you say I'm the one being duped? How did they even measure? That sounds like an extrapolation.

The only reason that the sun must have mass, is so that scientists have concluded to as it says exert gravitational force, it must be much larger than the Earth and the moon and more massive. But which is more convincing, that the sun and moon only appear the same size (despite fitting perfectly during an eclipse) or that they actually ARE the same size?



I'm not talking about the shadow it casts. I am talking about how the sun rises in the sky.

During winter and summer, the sun should be in completely opposite positions according to the heliocentric model. Yet it is rotating exactly the same way, correct? This would imply that not only is the sun going west to east during one part of the year, and east to west in another, (what, you southern hemisphere ppl have never seen this?!?) but the eastern hemisphere which was ahead several hours in time should now flip because of position. (what I meant by the 12 hour thing, though it's not necessary 12). Basically, the model has the sun as a fixed point, but rotating the same direction from two different positions leads to different effects. Or, you can't expect to do the same thing under completely different situations (say, telling everyone in a room full of liberals then again in a room full of conservatives that the same political candidate sucks) and expect the same results (one of these rooms will kill you). Same rotation, different position, means a different effect. I'm not an astronomer, so I can't tell you what the effect is, but I cannot imagine that the Earth rotating around the sun would look the same all year.

I am saying that geocentrism even works if you are a round Earther. Whereas heliocentrism doesn't work even if you believe in a round Earth. The science just isn't there.

There's several reasons why whether you believe in flat Earth or not, you should at the very least refuse to believe that we are seeing everything backwards, and actually orbiting the sun.
Heliocentric theory is wrong (pt1) – The Wild Heretic

1. Where is the constant wind - Okay, since you had that wonderful pole test, I want you to get in a car, with the window open and drive in a circle at 60 mph without wrecking and tell me what you feel. If you say "wind" I think you've got why this cannot work? At all times, riding with the Earth, you should feel a constant wind. You don't.
   
2. Hovering, floating, or falling - a helicopter hovering over the ground should be able to notice the rotation of the Earth as it is no longer attached to it. And, if you're going to say that somehow it gets moved along with it, well... it would have to combat a push of 1675km/h for Earth's spin. But wait! There's more, in addition to spinning around 1000 mph or whatever, in order to make it around the sun in a year, it has to go roughly 66000 mph meaning that chopper would get flung sideways well before it got off the ground! Not only that but with all this spin, you would need to account for displacement on flight times... nope, same amount of time either way (it should actually be cutting the plane's speed in half, greatly increasing trip length).
   
3. The stars - Supposedly, if the Earth rotates, during different times of year, you should be able to see different stars. However, while they do rotate, 6 months later, the same stars are in the sky. Remember how I mentioned that the Earth (supposedly) not only spins but also rotates? Well, ever day, we should be closer to different stars, to the point where we couldn't identify specific constellations because they would change every day. Not true, is it? You can probably rattle off many of the southern hemisphere stars, and you never see any northern hemisphere ones, which would be the case if the Earth constantly shifts.

(There's one more bullet point, but I'm not convinced by that one, since it basically lists various screwy science experiments, including pendulums and filling telescopes with water)

So, again, who is the duped one? You believe what people tell you because they have lab coats, without trying to draw it out, and figure out if it matches what you've actually seen. Have you seen beyond tornado force winds ripping stuff up on a daily basis? Then #1 is true. Have you seen planes flying backwards? Then #2 is true. And have you seen different stars every night? Then either all of these stars orbit the Earth, or something's wrong here. And lastly, have you seen a significant time displacement (I'm not talking about shorter days, I'm talking about later sunrises and sunsets) and the sun rising in the opposite direction? Cuz, I haven't noticed these things.

Can you tell me how orbiting the Earth works in your model? How does a satellite orbit the Earth? Or the space stations? Or any of the space debris up there? Or the moon? How does a satellite object work?

Why are all the other planets in our solar system spheres? You can use a telescope to examine the various faces of the planets at various times, and no matter when you do the viewing, the face you see is round. As the planet spins, its shape being consistently round informs you that it is spherical (or close to it). Why would Earth break this mold? And how do those other planets "work" if they aren't flat like Earth?

GPS - your "NASA is in on it" idea is one thing, but you have private companies shooting satellites up into space all the time, and they use these satellites to produce services like GPS. On a flat Earth, coding for and using data from satellites for GPS would be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than for a round Earth. How is it that all of these employees (the ones preparing the specs for satellite deployment, the ones coding the data-linkage to the satellite for receiving and interpreting GPS signal, the ones tracking the space debris in order to tell these others exactly when and where and at what speed and in which orbit to put their satellite in order to avoid collisions, the ones monitoring the orbit of the satellite over time in order to know when it will come crashing down, etc. - how is it that these many hundreds or thousands of people, working at all different companies, are also in on the conspiracy and also all keep the secret? Not one whistle blower being taken seriously in all this time? Who profits from the secret being kept? Why is there a secret in the first place?

And probably the most damning, and yet the most simple question: How is it that I can call and talk to someone on what would be the "other side" of the Earth given a round Earth, and it can be night/dark there while it is light/day where I am? How is this possible? Given a flat Earth, the sun would either be above the plane of the Earth (light), or below it (dark). Above the flat plane of the Earth, the sun's light would be visible from anywhere on the plane. Below the plane of the Earth, the sun's light would not be visible anywhere from the top of the plane. There really isn't a rational way to argue otherwise.

Round Earth model has none of these flaws, and answers all of these questions easily.

I simply can't believe that you think the people on the bottom of the Earth would have to "hold on" or risk falling off into space. You really have no idea how gravity is proposed to be working, do you? I mean, really no idea at all. Even if the current theory of gravity is entirely wrong, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. Otherwise you wouldn't be making statements like this saying that people would need to "hold on with bat feet" or whatever you said. That simply isn't something that makes any sense given the current theory of gravity. Hence the reason I say you don't understand it. And if you don't understand it (which YOU DON'T) then HOW am I supposed to take you seriously when you try to refute it? How? I can't. Your commentary is useless and unfortunate.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Can you tell me how orbiting the Earth works in your model? How does a satellite orbit the Earth? Or the space stations? Or any of the space debris up there? Or the moon? How does a satellite object work?

Why are all the other planets in our solar system spheres? You can use a telescope to examine the various faces of the planets at various times, and no matter when you do the viewing, the face you see is round. As the planet spins, its shape being consistently round informs you that it is spherical (or close to it). Why would Earth break this mold? And how do those other planets "work" if they aren't flat like Earth?

GPS - your "NASA is in on it" idea is one thing, but you have private companies shooting satellites up into space all the time, and they use these satellites to produce services like GPS. On a flat Earth, coding for and using data from satellites for GPS would be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than for a round Earth. How is it that all of these employees (the ones preparing the specs for satellite deployment, the ones coding the data-linkage to the satellite for receiving and interpreting GPS signal, the ones tracking the space debris in order to tell these others exactly when and where and at what speed and in which orbit to put their satellite in order to avoid collisions, the ones monitoring the orbit of the satellite over time in order to know when it will come crashing down, etc. - how is it that these many hundreds or thousands of people, working at all different companies, are also in on the conspiracy and also all keep the secret? Not one whistle blower being taken seriously in all this time? Who profits from the secret being kept? Why is there a secret in the first place?

And probably the most damning, and yet the most simple question: How is it that I can call and talk to someone on what would be the "other side" of the Earth given a round Earth, and it can be night/dark there while it is light/day where I am? How is this possible? Given a flat Earth, the sun would either be above the plane of the Earth (light), or below it (dark). Above the flat plane of the Earth, the sun's light would be visible from anywhere on the plane. Below the plane of the Earth, the sun's light would not be visible anywhere from the top of the plane. There really isn't a rational way to argue otherwise.

Round Earth model has none of these flaws, and answers all of these questions easily.

I simply can't believe that you think the people on the bottom of the Earth would have to "hold on" or risk falling off into space. You really have no idea how gravity is proposed to be working, do you? I mean, really no idea at all. Even if the current theory of gravity is entirely wrong, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. Otherwise you wouldn't be making statements like this saying that people would need to "hold on with bat feet" or whatever you said. That simply isn't something that makes any sense given the current theory of gravity. Hence the reason I say you don't understand it. And if you don't understand it (which YOU DON'T) then HOW am I supposed to take you seriously when you try to refute it? How? I can't. Your commentary is useless and unfortunate.

Dude, you're being trolled.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Dude, you're being trolled.

I honestly don't think so, but wish that were true.

This @Samantha Rinne has made many multiple posts about the Earth being flat, and keeps up with it and with (what would be) the appearance of ignorance a little too convincingly, plus harbors all sorts of other ideas that lead me to believe that it is entirely possible that "Flat Earth" is all too real to this person.

 

[Skwim]

Now add the galaxy moving towards Andromeda.

Or is Andromeda moving toward the Milky Way?

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[Ouroboros]

Or is Andromeda moving toward the Milky Way?
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Or probably more like both moving towards each other.