Jimmy
King Phenomenon
So why do you think the United States supports Israel if there’s nothing to gain from it?
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Why Doesn’t Iran Take Steps Towards Peace?
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The gain for politicians is winning office.
Zionists (mostly Christians) wield enormous power.
The financial burden doesn't matter.
Muslim lives don't matter.
Increased risk of war doesn't matter.
Increased risk of terrorism doesn't matter.
Only power does.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I don’t understand. What is USA getting out of it?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Oh you mean supporters of Israel get elected? But why?
As a country, nothing but grief & burden.
But the politicians who rule the country get
power. The country goes where they lead.
Because they favor Zionism, &
tend to de-value Muslim lives.
Just look at RF...posters we'd call
"liberal" are in favor of genocide
when it's Israel killing Arabs.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
What are politicians afraid of if they don’t support Israel?
Being called anti-semitic, & losing office.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Don’t you think most politicians want peace on both sides though?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I mean it isn’t religion that makes Christians support Jews and not Muslims. Neither of their god is Christ. Weird
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
You don’t honestly believe that if you were to put a newborn baby Muslim in the arms of an American politician, that they would think that childs life wouldn’t matter do you? I find that difficult to believe.
Well, the dispute goes back quite a ways. In WW2, when the big summit between the Allied leaders took place in Tehran in 1943, our relations with Iran were rather cordial. There didn't seem to be any basis for conflict at that time, though Iran was under Soviet and British occupation.
I'm not sure if the US and Britain some kind of the under-the-table agreement, but in 1953, the government of Iran was overthrown in a US-backed coup, and the Shah was put in place. Maybe they were trying to steal their oil - or prevent the Soviets from getting control of it. Either way, the Shah turned out to be a brutal dictator, but also a Westernizer, which didn't set well with the country's more conservative religionists. Eventually, the Shah was overthrown in 1979, at which time the Iranians, in a mad bit of fury, stormed the US embassy in Tehran and held our people hostage for 444 days. It was on the news every night, and it was how the news program "Nightline" got started in the first place.
One reason why I have little sympathy for the Iranians, even to this day, is that they supported Ronald Reagan to become US president. People talk about Russian influence, but that's nothing compared to how much the Iranians influenced our election in 1980. Note I'm not necessarily endorsing any conspiracy theories along those lines or even that Reagan had anything to do with it (although anything is possible), but it's clear that the Iranians wanted to discredit Carter's presidency, which is the key event which turned the public against Carter and in favor of Reagan.
It also had the effect of torpedoing a burgeoning peace movement in America which had just successfully ended the Vietnam War and looked to be ready to move on to bigger and better things. Americans were convinced (by Reagan) that we couldn't afford to be peaceniks anymore.
Reagan shifted US policy to becoming even more aggressive and militaristic, which included the Middle East, and paved the way for even more military actions in that region. It continued under Reagan's successors to the point where our military is more widespread and operating in more countries today than even during the Cold War. And Iran has also come into our sights as part of the "Axis of Evil."
Less than a decade after Americans were singing "All you need is love" and "Give peace a chance," American radios were playing songs like this:
Israel supposedly has nukes. Not think that this might deter Iran - without the USA being involved?
Yes.
But not at the cost of losing an election.
Christians see Jews as "God's Chosen People".
Could be a factor.
When the child is in a far off land, unidentified, &
unseen, it's far easier to condemn them to death.
It's nothing more than an unlabeled button pushed.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
No they dont
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
You don’t really believe that do ya?
I know many Christians.
I've often heard them claim this.
When killing is impersonal, it's easier.
You disagree?