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Why Doesn't The Qur'an Call God Yhwh?

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Theoretically -
  • El in Canaanite beliefs was the creator; YHVH was one of his sons.
  • Some say Al-ilah is 'The God'; yet it should be the other way around, thus not matching Arabic La-ilah.
  • Some claim the God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob and Yeshua was EL, not YHVH.
  • So what if the Quran was correcting the Bible (like in many places); thus El being the head creator, and thus being the true God.
  • :innocent:
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
the root for respect is k-b-d (kavod) which also is the word for "heavy" connecting seriousness and weightiness. The word Elo-him does not mean "respect" or anything like it.
sorry , no i mean "im" , is plural to respect .

this is what i meant :

When used of the true God, "Elohim" denotes what is called by linguists a plural of majesty, honor, or fullness. That is, he is GOD in the fullest sense of the word. He is "GOD of gods" or literally, "ELOHIM of elohim" (Deut 10:17; Ps 136:2).


this is the link :

http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/monotheism/context-elohim.html
 
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rosends

Well-Known Member
sorry , no i mean "im" , is plural to respect .

this is what i meant :

When used of the true God, "Elohim" denotes what is called by linguists a plural of majesty, honor, or fullness. That is, he is GOD in the fullest sense of the word. He is "GOD of gods" or literally, "ELOHIM of elohim" (Deut 10:17; Ps 136:2).


this is the link :

http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/monotheism/context-elohim.html
That is an interesting theory but it doesn't account for the word "elohim" which means "judge" (singular) and still has the -im at the end. It also ignores other names for God which don't have this "plural of majesty".
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Probably because Allah was a pre-Islamic Arab deity that was conflated with the "one true God" and the rest of the pantheon was shoved out, same as how Yahweh was a pre-Judaic Canaanite deity that was also conflated with the "one true God" and the rest of the Canaanite pantheon was shoved out. The Kaaba was/is also a pagan shrine and the black stone is an idol from earlier pagan cults, probably a meteorite.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Probably because Allah was a pre-Islamic Arab deity that was conflated with the "one true God" and the rest of the pantheon was shoved out, same as how Yahweh was a pre-Judaic Canaanite deity that was also conflated with the "one true God" and the rest of the Canaanite pantheon was shoved out. The Kaaba was/is also a pagan shrine and the black stone is an idol from earlier pagan cults, probably a meteorite.
Just one's wrong opinion.
Regards
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Just one's wrong opinion.
Regards
No, it's fact that Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan Arab deity, that the Kaaba was a pagan shrine and the black stone was a pagan idol. Of course you're not going to give it any thought because the foundation of your entire religion would collapse. How sad.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
No, it's fact that Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan Arab deity and that the Kaaba was a pagan shrine and the black stone was a pagan idol. Of course you're not going to give it any thought because the foundation of your entire religion would collapse. How sad.
Nothing would collapse, only one's wrong opinion would collapse.
Regards
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Allah is the Aramic word for god - follow the language branch and you can see how one became the other. The different names are simply due to different languages.
The angel Jibreel has "el" in the end which refers to the god "El" or "Elohim" (plural) of the Hebrew bible.
Jibreel is Gabriel.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Nothing would collapse, only one's wrong opinion would collapse.
Regards
Why don't you come up with some actual information to counter what I said instead of making useless emotional retorts? I know it's because you have nothing factual to counter it with, but you can't let such damning accusations go completely unreplied to.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Why don't you come up with some actual information to counter what I said instead of making useless emotional retorts? I know it's because you have nothing factual to counter it with, but you can't let such damning accusations go completely unreplied to.
One should first prove the evidences for what one has written?
Regards
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Why does the Quran say: "This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion." but it says this in chapter 5 out of 114 chapters. Does that mean that Islams doctrines are only to be taken until chapter 5 and everything after that is just a pointless add-on?
Peace be on you.
Words from [ch5:v4]".......This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion......"
Please note:
1- It is an announcement that religion evolution has been made completed at Quran, it is live for ever, all necessary commandments are given for all kind of people for all ages, Quran discussed all issues related to humanity.
2-It does not say or mean, all next verses are useless.
3-These words are in line with other verses, such as:

[2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,

[14:25] Dost thou not see how Allah sets forth the similitude of a good word? It is like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches reach into heaven.
[14:26] It brings forth its fruit at all times by the command of its Lord. And Allah sets forth similitudes for men that they may reflect.

[16:90]And remember the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from amongst themselves, and We will bring thee as a witness against these. And We have sent down to thee the Book to explain everything, and a guidance, and a mercy, and glad tidings to those who submit to God.

[34:29]And We have not sent thee but as a bearer of glad tidings and a Warner, for all mankind, but most men know not.
 
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mahasn ebn sawresho

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with a name like Abraham, does it mean anything from the Hebrew Language? I know it means 'father of many', but is that from a Hebrew root that would be used in other contexts or is it just a meaning that has been given to the name?
Ibrahim is the root of the Chaldean
Because the first section is translated (APRA) and sonThe second section I also search for meaning
It is known that the Bible says
Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldeans
That is why it is very reasonable to have his name carries the roots of that language also
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
This is a clear example of circular reasoning. You are saying the name used in the Quran is correct because the Quran is correct. Try again ...
Koran call transfer from the Assyrian, Chaldean, Syriac and Aramaic
That share the word (Alahaa)
It means God
In Hebrew word (IL) close to God
It is known that the Koran is the transfer of some of the names of the original language did not translate
Including the word (Tur)
It is the meaning of the mountain in the Assyrian and Chaldean language, Aramaic
For your information, the two words have developed and Ibra are still in the predominant languages of the ChaldeansAnd also that he knew Mohammed is the son of the Rev. alnasrine paper Nofal and also the monk Bahira
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
The Koran says no God but who believed in the children of Israel
f Muhammad knows the children of Israel
But he violated when issued orders to kill the children of Israel in Medina
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
The Arabic should be Yesua, but even that would have no meaning as God's name according to Islam is not Yahweh. Isa is Persian I believe
It is the Arabic translation of the word Aichoa
They are still used for speakers of indigenous languages and as I mentioned in previous posts
It is known that the monk Bahira was the Nestorian doctrine
This means that it was the Assyrians
Because to follow the Nestorian Church Assyrians
 
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