Why exactly is Satan bad?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That is a great example of a non sequitur.

You don't know the passage? Fair enough. Here you go:

5 for God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will open[l] and you will be like God, knowing[m] good and evil.”[n]

 

[Shaul]

You don't know the passage? Fair enough. Here you go:

5 for God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will open[l] and you will be like God, knowing[m] good and evil.”[n]

I knew and know the passage and never said otherwise. I it still has nothing to do with my previous post. It is still, as I previously wrote, a non sequitur.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I knew and know the passage and never said otherwise. I it still has nothing to do with my previous post. It is still, as I previously wrote, a non sequitur.

It implies that humanity's moral standards and God's moral standards are the same.

But I get it: you don't want to deal with this. Keep calling it a non sequitur if you like.

 

[Colt]

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Wait, so you advocate for a globalist one world government/new world order?

Yes! It will be a long time but that's ultimately the only solution.

 

[Viker]

Satan is bad because somebody, who claims from an authoritive source that makes the claim, says so.

 

[Ajax]

He steals, kills and destroys. He is a murderer and the father of lies. Among other things.

I hate to bring you bad news, but there are 160 separate killing sprees in the Bible for which God is to blame. He either commits them directly, or they are carried out by assistance or approval and the count is estimated at approximately 2.5 million, excluding the deaths from the flood.
On the other hand Satan killed 10 people and those under permission from God. The book of Job also tell us that Satan can do nothing without permission from God.
In Genesis,, God told the Proto-created couple that they will die the same day they will eat the forbidden fruit. "Satan" told them they will not die, but will become like gods. They didn't die and God confirmed that they became like gods. Who lied?
As for who caused destruction, there is never been a worse destruction than the flood.
Needless to say that Satan doesn't exist, but this not our discussion.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes! It will be a long time but that's ultimately the only solution.

Don't let your fellow conservatives hear you say that.

 

[Father Heathen]

I didn't suggest any of that nonsense.

You very much did with post #41

 

[Kenny]

Wasn't that particular lie from God?

Satan was the one encouraging Eve to eat the fruit and telling her that she wouldn't actually die when she ate it, desPite what God had said.

(And it turned out on that item, God was the liar and Satan told the truth)

I think you need to read Gen 2 & 3 and support your statements with actual scripture. (and related NT scripture)

 

[Kenny]

Let me take you to the hurting ground
Where all good men are trampled down
Just to settle a bet that could not be won
Between a prideful father and his son

This was quite beautiful. Reminds me of how Jesus rescued me.

 

[Kenny]

Why don't you tell me in what "perspective" the death of 10 people is one of God's great kindnesses! I don't possess such a skewed perspective of right and wrong.

As I mentioned in another post, if you study carefully you will find that the issue wasn’t God… it was Job opening and giving place to the devil. (I can understand how your past can affect how you see it - sorry it happened to you)

 

[Kenny]

You say that you have read Job "quite a few times." Please demonstrate from the text where Job is "giving place to the Devil." God himself is careful to point out that Job "shuns evil." In fact, it is clear from the text that Job does not know that Satan is doing anything -- Job is totally mystified about why his misfortunes were happening to him, but when urged to do so, still refuses to curse God. No mention of Job cursing, or even being aware of, the Devil.

It is found in Chapter 1 & 3 respectively

5 And when the days of their feasting were over, Job sent for them to purify and hallow them, and rose up early in the morning and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed ordisowned God in their hearts. Thus did Job at all [such] times….

...25 For the thing which I greatly fear comes upon me, and that of which I am afraid befalls me. 26 I was not or am not at ease, nor had I or have I rest, nor was I oram I quiet, yet trouble came and still comes [upon me].

He was actually in the enemies camp:

Heb 2:14 Since, therefore, [these His] children share in flesh and blood [in the physical nature of human beings], He [Himself] in a similar manner partook of the same [nature], that by [going through] death He might bring to nought and make of no effect him who had the power of death—that is, the devil—15 And also that He might deliver and completely set free all those who through the [haunting] fear of death were held in bondage throughout the whole course of their lives.

Being in fear was actually the door that Job opened to Satan.

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love
2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Had he stayed in faith and love - there would still be a hedge of protection over his life.

In fact, when news of all his calamities is brought to him, what was Job's reaction?

20 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship ​

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21 and said:​

“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,​

and naked I will depart.​

The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;​

may the name of the Lord be praised.”​

It is truly recorded that Job said this. However, what Job said wasn’t the truth. The truth is that “It is the thief that steals, kills, and destroys but God came to work life and life in abundance through Jesus Christ”.

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22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.​

That is correct… he held his integrity and didn’t curse God. It was his integrity that prevent Satan from taking his life.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

This was quite beautiful. Reminds me of how Jesus rescued me.

It's from "Sorrow" by Bad Religion.

It's about the story of Job. The prideful father and his son are God and Satan.

 

[Nakosis]

On the other hand, I also wouldn't watch a movie where the bad guy is a puny ant compared to the good guy where the good guy could obliterate the bad guy with a mere snap of his fingers.

An entertaining bad guy / good guy movie is where the bad guy is a powerful one and kicks the sh!t out of the good guy during the entire movie... and then at the end the good guy manages to defeat the bad guy in some epic exausting fight with either trickery, incredible courage, smarts, extreme training or what-have-you


By any holywood standard, it seems to me that god here is the bad guy. The dictator who oppresses everyone with his authoritarian rules and who demands everyone to bend the knee and worship him, while standing up to him seems like an impossible task due to the massive power he holds and wields.

Normally it's the good guy who has to fight a near impossible-to-win fight and emerge victorious against all odds at the end.

Luke Skywalker vs the Empire.
The Avengers vs Thanos
Rambo vs the entire Russian army
Frodo vs a wicked wizard and his army

Unfortunately, there weren't any Hollywood writers around when they wrote the Bible.

 

[Nakosis]

I would.

Which was the last movie you went to go see where there were no bad guys?

 

[Ella S.]

I think theistic Satanists and literal devil worships are very few and far between, and even the ones who believe in Satan/Lucifer as an actual entity don't perceive or portray him in the same way as Christians do. The depictions of Hollywood and evangelical imaginations doesn't reflect the reality. There are teenage edgelords who do things for the sake of shock and attention, but they tend to grow out of it. I think the Satanic neo-Nazi types fall into that category since LHP philosophy is totally antithetical to any sort of fascist ideology, so they can't be taken seriously.

I'm not sure that LHP philosophy is as antithetical to fascism as you seem to think. Social Darwinism is a common part of the LHP. Yeah, sure, the LHP is individualistic and can at times seem pretty anti-authoritarian, but so did a lot of historical fascist movements during their infancy, even despite their collectivism and nationalism. LaVey and Aquino were both pretty open in their use of Nazi imagery, too, which is in many ways more important to Nazism than the ostensible collectivist nationalism.

(ETA: Not to mention how the LHP is highly influenced by shallow understandings of Nietzsche, which is something it has in common with the Nazis, too)

They're also the primary forerunners of the Left-Hand Path philosophy. And both CoS (LaVey) and Temple of Set (Aquino) had issues with fascist members early on and, honestly, still do.

The LHP runs a long range of ideas, but its core is screwed up beyond repair.

 

[Eddi]

So you think you came about ex nihilo. I'm sure you are wrong.

So the fact that God is responsible for my existence means I'm his property?

I don't think so

That doesn't follow

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Which was the last movie you went to go see where there were no bad guys?

For me, it would have been the Poseidon Adventure.

(My wife and I had a retro movie night)

 

[Kenny]

I hate to bring you bad news, but there are 160 separate killing sprees in the Bible for which God is to blame. He either commits them directly, or they are carried out by assistance or approval and the count is estimated at approximately 2.5 million, excluding the deaths from the flood.
On the other hand Satan killed 10 people and those under permission from God. The book of Job also tell us that Satan can do nothing without permission from God.

Yes… this is religious talk - It’s like someone recorded it and passed it around so that everyone can repeat the same mantra. Sheeples comes to mind.

In Genesis,, God told the Proto-created couple that they will die the same day they will eat the forbidden fruit. "Satan" told them they will not die, but will become like gods. They didn't die and God confirmed that they became like gods. Who lied?
As for who caused destruction, there is never been a worse destruction than the flood.
Needless to say that Satan doesn't exist, but this not our discussion.

Actually, you missed key points here.

1) The word “die” is in plural and not singular - as if you could say “in dying you will die"
2) The word death, in the natural mind, is when you stop breathing. That is a death but not the definition of death. Death is the absence of the Life of God in any area of your life.
3) 1st Death - separated spiritually from God. 2nd death - Thinking is no longer God thinking - mind thinking is separated from God. They reduced themselves to lying instead of speaking truth. 3rd death - the eventual death of the body.

They did die spiritually, separated from God, the moment they ate.

 

[Kenny]

It's from "Sorrow" by Bad Religion.

It's about the story of Job. The prideful father and his son are God and Satan.

And? it still reminded of me and how God saved me.