There aren't necessarily any "laws" of logic. It is a system of reasoning. It is not an actual "thing". And again, what point can we not reach?
There actually are laws of logic. The Law of Identity, The Law of Non-Contradiction, and the Law of Excluded Middle.
Let me point out there is a difference between understanding and knowing. Knowing something is to have information. Understanding is being able to process that information correctly. I agree that we do not know everything. I am not sure if we ever will. Please be consistent.
I do not see why this was needed haha. I never said there was no difference.
You seem to be juggling around several different concepts here. I never said that information was only through senses. I asked, however, how else you can experience something without your physical five senses? And what was this experience of yours? I understand you think it won't convince me, but I wish to be more understanding of your situation, because it is not something I believe has happened to me.
No, there is one idea here, not several. Have you ever heard the idea of the sixth sense, a type of innate, possibly spiritual / divine knowing sense? It is what people are talking about when they are saying they felt something mystical through an experience. The experience holds no validity to anyone but the one who feels it. If one does not think it has happen to them, I can tell you it has not. Trust me, you know haha.
I never said you cannot objectively understand things. However, you must understand that being objective can in itself be subjective in manner. When you say objectively understand a thing, what do you mean? What is the objective of this situation? Interpretation? How to have peace?
I was going off the logical fallacy of skepticism I brought up. If all knowledge is only from the 5 sense, all that we know would be subjective. What is objective about a true mystical experience is that there is no thought put into it, it is something that you understand without explanation.
And why would this lead you to suicide if it was not objective? Do you think that you need some sort of objective purpose to our lives for all to have purpose? Because I can tell you right now that is wrong, otherwise all atheists would have done that. Purpose doesn't have to be objective. There is nothing wrong with you coming up with your own purpose, your own objective reason for living. I have chosen my purpose to be to eliminate ignorance, including my own, which is why I joined this forum.
I said it would lead
me to suicide, not that without meaning one should commit suicide. I think it is great that atheists are not killing themselves, one of my best friends is an atheist. For me, if there is no purpose we are just wasting time. I do not like wasting time, and if there is nothing greater beyond our suffering I would simple end it. I have experienced ridiculous amounts of pain in my short life, and I would not stick around simply to live a false, self created fantasy out.
If there is no meaning, no truth that can be discovered, etc, then the only philosophical question that matters is whether or not to commit suicide. Most people would find it unsound, I would not in such a case.
Also, there is a difference between denying an experience and misinterpreting what an experience was. A person on drugs who sees sasquatch and later after the effects wear off knows that they did not actually see sasquatch. That person is not denying the experience; he simply knows what he experienced was not real.
Well, I do not see why natural drugs should exclude natural (innate / divine / mystical) experiences. I am not talking someone on LSD or Ecstacy, but shamans and mystics have used drugs for centuries and centuries to induce experiences and better understand them. Things like DMT, Salvia, Peyote, Marijuana, etc.
Btw, I'm not encouraging drug use, simply saying that some of the most experienced and knowledgeable mystics through time use them.
And that is something I feel many people have. I'm not saying they get high, but they have an experience that they misinterpret as an act of a higher power when it was rather something else, such as a judgement based on a presupposition, a psychological flaw, or your body imagining something as real, such as the placebo effect.
Well, higher power is a word used with someone who has misinterpreted. I have been high and tripped, I have twisted meaning for my own beliefs, I have hallucinated, etc. The people who have done these things can recognize a mystical experience better, I feel, because we can better judge what the experience is not. But, again, it is empirical (in a 6th sense, spiritual sort of way). I simply mean you must experience such a thing to even think about it.
I am not saying what you experienced was any of these, but I do ask you take them into consideration. And again, please share. It couldn't hurt to get some outside input.
I have stopped sharing such experiences except with select people here and there. I realized that the more you try to rationalize it, explain it, etc it just makes things more confusing. It is only when I find others who have had such experiences that you can talk about it.
There will probably no further response from me on this thread. I leave town this afternoon. If you wish to continue talking, PM me and I will respond whenever possible.
