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Why has man never evolved?

If evolution is true why has man never evolved? I collect alot of old paintings and ornaments now when you look at these some of which are 1000s of years old, man still looks exactly the same as he did then as today, so when exactly are humans meant to evolve? If you go to your local art gallery or history museum and compare how people looked 1000s of years ago to today, we have not changed at all in physical appearance. There is no change. There clearly is no evolution. So to the evolutionists on this forum when are humans meant to evolve?
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Humans evolve constantly. Dramatic changes occur over thousands and millions of years.
 

DarkSun

:eltiT
If evolution is true why has man never evolved? I collect alot of old paintings and ornaments now when you look at these some of which are 1000s of years old, man still looks exactly the same as he did then as today, so when exactly are humans meant to evolve? If you go to your local art gallery or history museum and compare how people looked 1000s of years ago to today, we have not changed at all in physical appearance. There is no change. There clearly is no evolution. So to the evolutionists on this forum when are humans meant to evolve?

Say what? :areyoucra

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Japanese male

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African male

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English male

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Israeli male


The only way you could look at these pictures and not understand that evolution has caused the variance in phenotypes between nations is if you don't have an understanding of evolution.
 
Humans evolve constantly. Dramatic changes occur over thousands and millions of years.

Ok that is a faith statement (nothing wrong with that). But most people on this forum seem to talk about science but remember science is knowledge from observation, we can not observe evolution (this always gets brought up by creationists). Nobody was there to observe this so called evolution over "thousands and millions of years" (this gets brought up by creationists). So at the end of the day creationism and evolution they are both faith based. The thinker has to choose between which one he/she believes is truth. I believe humans have been on earth for 2 billion years. No evolution for me. : hamster :
 

DarkSun

:eltiT
Ok that is a faith statement (nothing wrong with that). But most people on this forum seem to talk about science but remember science is knowledge from observation, we can not observe evolution (this always gets brought up by creationists). Nobody was there to observe this so called evolution over "thousands and millions of years" (this gets brought up by creationists). So at the end of the day creationism and evolution they are both faith based. The thinker has to choose between which one he/she believes is truth. I believe humans have been on earth for 2 billion years. No evolution for me. : hamster :

It's not a faith statement, it's a value-neutral statement of fact. Get off your high horse.
 
Say what?

Pasting in pictures of different races does not prove evolution. Look at those pictures how for example does an asian male evolve into a black male? Impossible. They are complete opposites in appearance.
 

DarkSun

:eltiT
Pasting in pictures of different races does not prove evolution. Look at those pictures how for example does an asian male evolve into a black male? Impossible. They are complete opposites in appearance.

If you were to move the Asian race to Africa and ban them from wearing shirts, and ban them from having houses, then most of the people with insufficient melanin in their skin would get cancer from high sun exposure. If every Asian had a kid, and they weren't allowed to wear shirts or sunscreen either, and they didn't have houses, then most of those kids would die of cancer. The people with more melanin would have a higher chance of living, because this protects against melanoma.

The first generation of Afro-Asians would probably mostly all have died from cancer, the ones who lived would have more melanin, making them look slightly darker. Because these are the ones that are alive, they would pass on their genes to the next generation. These people would mostly die too, because the sun exposure would be too much. The second generation with the most melanin would be naturally selected for, because they would be the least likely to die of cancer. The third generation would have the same problem, the ones with the most melanin would be most likely to survive, reproduce, and carry on their gene for excessive melanin. As generations go on, the Asians in Africa without shirts or houses would get progressively darker.

Eventually, you would revert back to having darker skin, but only because there is an evolutionary pressure to do so.

If you listened to nothing I said, then read this. If you want to disprove evolution, all you have to do is show that a parent's offspring will not be different to the parents themselves. THAT. Is all evolution says. If you can prove that my future kid will be exactly the same in appearance and characteristics to me, then you have disproved evolution. All evolution says is that there will be variation between the traits of a parent and a child, and the trait which leads to the child's survival in the environment that they find themselves in will be naturally selected for across generations.
 
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RedOne77

Active Member
As generations go on, the Asians in Africa without shirts or houses would get progressively darker.

Eventually, you would revert back to having darker skin, but only because there is an evolutionary pressure to do so.

If I'm not mistaken, an Israeli tribe (which must have had lighter skin than Africans) for some reason found their way back to Africa and did get dark skin. Now they look just like normal Africans, but genetic testing shows their Jewish heritage is real.
 
It's also worth noting that people are, on average, about 6" taller than they were 1000 years ago.

There have also been several examples of genetic mutations being passed on through subsequent generations in humans. [youtube]TU-7d06HJSs[/youtube]
Here's a video which includes some relevant data.

I disagree. Of course this is all down to personal opinion. But many holy books speak of larger people on earth 1000s if not millions of years ago. When i was at the history museum a few weeks ago i stood next to some greek and roman sculptures, these were made to scale and they were much bigger than me. Im 5ft11/6ft and some of these sculptures were atleast 6ft 4. As you can see we have not got taller.
 

Gunfingers

Happiness Incarnate
I disagree. Of course this is all down to personal opinion. But many holy books speak of larger people on earth 1000s if not millions of years ago. When i was at the history museum a few weeks ago i stood next to some greek and roman sculptures, these were made to scale and they were much bigger than me. Im 5ft11/6ft and some of these sculptures were atleast 6ft 4. As you can see we have not got taller.
Okay, you go ahead and assume humans were the same size as sculptures indicate, i'll assume they were the same size as their skeletons indicate.
 
Okay, you go ahead and assume humans were the same size as sculptures indicate, i'll assume they were the same size as their skeletons indicate.

They have found skeletons of giants.

The length of this skeleton's head is about 5 feet. Therefore, the height would have been about 25-30 feet


Giant human skeleton found in Saudi Arabia

The exploration team also found tablets with inscriptions that stated that our Gods of Indian mythologicalyore, Brahma, had created people of phenomenal size the like of which He has not created since. They were very tall, big, and very powerful, such that they could put their arms around a tree trunk and uproot it. They were created to bring order among us since we were always fighting with each other.

And you are saying people used to be smaller... lol:fox:
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
If evolution is true why has man never evolved? I collect alot of old paintings and ornaments now when you look at these some of which are 1000s of years old, man still looks exactly the same as he did then as today, so when exactly are humans meant to evolve? If you go to your local art gallery or history museum and compare how people looked 1000s of years ago to today, we have not changed at all in physical appearance. There is no change. There clearly is no evolution. So to the evolutionists on this forum when are humans meant to evolve?
A few things:

- a few thousand years isn't long enough to really see significant changes. If you look back over a few hundred thousand years, you do see major change. Over the time frame you're talking about, there are changes, but they're minor - while average values for various features have changed, they've done so within their general normal range: for instance, there hasn't been much change in the extreme ends of "tallest" and "shortest", but as was pointed out earlier, average height has gone up over time.

- species tend to be stable when their environments are stable... and this makes sense: the more well-adapted a species is, the less likely it is that new mutations will be beneficial. Also, species tend to be more stable when they have large populations: it takes much longer for a benficial mutation to "work its way through" into the overall population.

If you were to take a small group of people (like a few hundred or maybe a few thousand), isolate them from the rest of humanity, radically change their environment and leave them that way, they'd change very quickly... to the extent that within a hundred generations or less, they'd have changed so much that they could no longer be considered the same species.

Of course, we don't do these sorts of experiments for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that it would be horribly unethical (and IMO immoral) to subject a group of people to this treatment.
 
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That's a site descrbing hoax stories about giant skeletons.

Are you saying people used to be larger? Wouldn't that still indicate a change over time, possibly via an evolutionary mechanism?

I think you need to get your story straight.

I am a hindu creationist i believe in vedic devolution. The bones of giants found fits in fine with my model.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
(Reuters) - Human evolution has been moving at breakneck speed in the past several thousand years, far from plodding along as some scientists had thought, researchers said on Monday.
In fact, people today are genetically more different from people living 5,000 years ago than those humans were different from the Neanderthals who vanished 30,000 years ago, according to anthropologist John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin.
The genetic changes have related to numerous different human characteristics, the researchers said.
Many of the recent genetic changes reflect differences in the human diet brought on by agriculture, as well as resistance to epidemic diseases that became mass killers following the growth of human civilizations, the researchers said.
For example, Africans have new genes providing resistance to malaria. In Europeans, there is a gene that makes them better able to digest milk as adults. In Asians, there is a gene that makes ear wax more dry.
The changes have been driven by the colossal growth in the human population -- from a few million to 6.5 billion in the past 10,000 years -- with people moving into new environments to which they needed to adapt, added Henry Harpending, a University of Utah anthropologist.
"The central finding is that human evolution is happening very fast -- faster than any of us thought," Harpending said in a telephone interview.
"Most of the acceleration is in the last 10,000 years, basically corresponding to population growth after agriculture is invented," Hawks said in a telephone interview.
The research appears in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


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See what happens when you actually use science, rather than looking at old paintings and say "See!! We are the same!!!":facepalm:
 
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