Why has science always been the bad guy

[idav]

Scientists are people too with religious and secular beliefs. God forbid (literally) that any scientist question their religious beliefs or agree with secular logic.

The universe is billions of years old, the earth is round and evolution is true. Scientists are not boogeymen out to get religion, they are trying to understand the world through observation and we keep finding that superstition has to take the back burner, sorry.

 

[metis]

Religiosity has been generally losing ground internationally for decades now, so the religious fundamentalists have to blame something, and science is a convenient whipping-boy.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Scientists are people too with religious and secular beliefs. God forbid (literally) that any scientist question their religious beliefs or agree with secular logic.

The universe is billions of years old, the earth is round and evolution is true. Scientists are not boogeymen out to get religion, they are trying to understand the world through observation and we keep finding that superstition has to take the back burner, sorry.

So there!​

 

[Quintessence]

"Superstition" as you call it doesn't have to take a proverbial back burner if people would ruddy learn how to regard mythos properly.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

:fight: :fight: :fight:

Why has science always been the bad guy?

and

Why are peppers always red?

:fight: :fight: :fight:​

 

[idav]

Religiosity has been generally losing ground internationally for decades now, so the religious fundamentalists have to blame something, and science is a convenient whipping-boy.

Agreed metis!

 

[idav]

"Superstition" as you call it doesn't have to take a proverbial back burner if people would ruddy learn how to regard mythos properly.

I should hope not but tis the life of a scientist trying to be a secular religionist.

 

[idav]

So there!​

Them some fighting words!!! Ironically Catholicism and Islams and other religions have been helping science out but many of its followers don't like this as if those evil scientist have a huge conspiracy agenda to overthrow religion when they are religious themselves trying to find truth. Religion then ends up stifling their own agendas for the greater god cause.

 

[Smart_Guy]

There is a verse in the Quraan that translates to "the favor of a scientist over a warshipper is like the favor of the moon over the rest of the planets" (yes, the Quraan mentions planets).

Science in that verse does not mean the religious sciences only, but also worldly and material sciences.

Now, regardless to the meaning of the verse and how science compares to worshipping, what we can tell from it is that science in Islam is favorable.

It is still unfortunate, however, that so many Muslims don't reflect that

 

[idav]

It is still unfortunate, however, that so many Muslims don't reflect that

I agree, Muslims had some valuable contributions to science, best in the civilized world for a long time. Don't know why it has to be demonized now. As if the knowledge gained is just too much for us and cut too close to some of the sores created by science explaining the material world.

It is a shame that many religious simply get too scared to go any further, cause it gets frightening to test the material aspects of the world, like the material aspects of the world are to be avoided at all costs as if they are the boogeymen. Some of your first sentences reflect some of that when "worldy or material sciences" are to be avoided.

 

[rusra02]

Scientists are people too with religious and secular beliefs. God forbid (literally) that any scientist question their religious beliefs or agree with secular logic.

The universe is billions of years old, the earth is round and evolution is true. Scientists are not boogeymen out to get religion, they are trying to understand the world through observation and we keep finding that superstition has to take the back burner, sorry.

It is interesting how you lump the ToME together with proven science, as if mentioning facts and unproven theory together somehow makes the unproven theory "science." I believe the bullying tactics used by some evolutionists reflects dogmatism, not a search for scientific truth. IMO, it is as stated In an article in The Wall Street Journal, by Phillip E. Johnson, a University of California law professor, who notes that the evidence for evolution is lacking but that its supporters still often ridicule those who question it. The article comments: “Evolution theory is having serious trouble with the evidence—but its proponents don’t want an honest debate that might undermine their world view.” (Based on quote from g00 6/8)

 

[Smart_Guy]

I agree, Muslims had some valuable contributions to science, best in the civilized world for a long time. Don't know why it has to be demonized now. As if the knowledge gained is just too much for us and cut too close to some of the sores created by science explaining the material world.

It is a shame that many religious simply get too scared to go any further, cause it gets frightening to test the material aspects of the world, like the material aspects of the world are to be avoided at all costs as if they are the boogeymen. Some of your first sentences reflect some of that when "worldy or material sciences" are to be avoided.

Can you believe that the Wahhabis called the car what translates to "the chariot of Satan" when it first came to Saudi Arabia?

How could they?

 

[metis]

It is interesting how you lump the ToME together with proven science, as if mentioning facts and unproven theory together somehow makes the unproven theory "science." I believe the bullying tactics used by some evolutionists reflects dogmatism, not a search for scientific truth. IMO, it is as stated In an article in The Wall Street Journal, by Phillip E. Johnson, a University of California law professor, who notes that the evidence for evolution is lacking but that its supporters still often ridicule those who question it. The article comments: “Evolution theory is having serious trouble with the evidence—but its proponents don’t want an honest debate that might undermine their world view.” (Based on quote from g00 6/8)

The above is completely false. First of all, it has been mentioned to you many times that "theory" in this context implies a variety of hypotheses, theories, and axioms, and it has been established time and time again that species evolve, plus overwhelmingly geneticists well know in general how and why this takes place. And even common sense should tell you that species evolve.

Secondly, what does an opinion of a law professor have to do with this? Fine, he has an opinion-- so what? Does he have any scientific background whatsoever? Does he use his religion as a set of blinders versus enlightenment?

Thirdly, it's obvious that your theology is terribly flawed, because you're taking one opinion on the creation accounts while ignoring the others. As I've posted before, polls show that most Christian theologians simply do not have a problem with the ToE as long as it's understood that God was behind it all.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

To whine about science always being the bad guy is to embrace two related claims: that the condition in fact exists, and that it warrants the pretentious indignation.

 

[Sunstone]

I thought the Irish were the bad guys. You're telling me they're not? Then where the hell has respect for tradition gone?

 

[Sunstone]

I thought the Irish were the bad guys. You're telling me they're not? Then where the hell has respect for tradition gone?

No, I have to take that back. On second thought, I think it's atheists who are supposed to be the bad guys. Yeah, it's atheists.

 

[Sunstone]

No, I have to take that back. On second thought, I think it's atheists who are supposed to be the bad guys. Yeah, it's atheists.

Wait a minute! What about fundamentalists? You can't leave fundamentalists out of this! You just can't.

 

[Sunstone]

Wait a minute! What about fundamentalists? You can't leave fundamentalists out of this! You just can't.

Then, again, there are the Italians. I know someone who thinks the Italians are the bad guys. How am I to know she's wrong about that?

 

[Sunstone]

Then, again, there are the Italians. I know someone who thinks the Italians are the bad guys. How am I to know she's wrong about that?

It just occurred to me: Maybe it's the politicians who are the bad guys? Yeah, what about the politicians?

 

[Amechania]

I suppose practical science that produces things like electric lights and cures for disease and smartphones is good but theoretical science that causes one to question their own faith is bad (even though the former couldn't exist without the latter and vice versa). Certainly science can be misused and misdirected but for the most part scientists wear white hats as well as white lab coats. I guess all those theologians over the centuries who have improved the human condition could be considered good guys too, If I think of one. Can anybody?