Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection

[F1fan]

That one is arguable. I remember when the trial was going on. He did keep fighting. He was not cuffed. I listened to that and my prediction was that they would get off. Two were eventually convicted on another charge, one because he did break protocol and kick Rodney in the head once. I cannot remember why the other was convicted. They were able to show with the first trial that every blow came as a result of an action by Rodney. The illegal blows were probably still as a result of actions, but as I said that was a breaking of protocol.

It's been a while. But the recent clips I've seen were pretty bad.

 

[F1fan]

Do you believe He was a real person

I think there was probably one or a number of people who the Jesus story was based on. I think the story of a person who was exposed to Buddhism is a good possibility. There's no doubt that someone came up with the new ideas. We can't ignore the many decades after the supposed death of Jesus that the stories developed, and during a time when embellishment was common.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Didn’t say it did

You are acting as if that were the case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's been a while. But the recent clips I've seen were pretty bad.

I know. But there is a lot of context missing. Rodney was on some powerful drugs. He was a large individual and was combative. The videos start part way through the event so full context is missing. It is easy to see only part of a fight and blame the wrong party.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think there was probably one or a number of people who the Jesus story was based on. I think the story of a person who was exposed to Buddhism is a good possibility. There's no doubt that someone came up with the new ideas. We can't ignore the many decades after the supposed death of Jesus that the stories developed, and during a time when embellishment was common.

Personally I think that it was Elvis.

 

[paarsurrey]

The bible is the standard regardless of how people interpret it .

Jesus neither wrote the 4 Gospels nor approved them, so who declared them as a standard , please. Right?
Regards

 

[John1.12]

Jesus neither wrote the 4 Gospels nor approved them, so who declared them as a standard , please. Right?
Regards

No one is saying Jesus wrote anything?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No one is saying Jesus wrote anything?

Hopefully that is the case. Since he didn't. Please do not rely on an Equivocation fallacy if you respond to this.

 

[F1fan]

Personally I think that it was Elvis.

Now that's some complicated theology.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now that's some complicated theology.

But much more rewarding. I remember the good old days when Elvis died and the tabloids had regular reports about him. Aaah good times, good times.

 

[paarsurrey]

No one is saying Jesus wrote anything?

It is for this 4 Gospels cannot do not qualify to be standard of any sorts.
Right?

Regards

 

[ElishaElijah]

It's a fact this text is in the NKJV. It's not a fact that this exact text appears in other forms of the Bible.

It's a fact that this story exists in the Bible. It's not a fact the story is true.

If you are interpreting this fantastic story as true, then demonstrate how it is factual.

When a person repents and receives the Gospel, God gives that person the Holy Spirit and they are born again and have passed from death to life. This is the guarantee or proof that the Bible is true. The other proof is at the judgement where unbelievers who rejected the truth will be judged and go to hell for eternity while believers receive their inheritance of new glorified bodies and enjoy the presence of God for eternity in Heaven.

 

[F1fan]

When a person repents and receives the Gospel, God gives that person the Holy Spirit and they are born again and have passed from death to life.

These are theological concepts, none have even been shown to be true. Only people who are part of your religious framework will treat these ideas as true. These are irrelevant to those of other religions and objective thinkers.

This is the guarantee or proof that the Bible is true.

Except it's not true, and there's no actual guarantee. These are just ideas religious people are told.

The other proof is at the judgement where unbelievers will be judged and go to hell for eternity while believers receive their inheritance of new glorified bodies and enjoy the presence of God for eternity in Heaven.

Oddly this threat is only taken seriously by believers, and they think they're going to heaven. So no one ever goes to hell.

That you believe you theology is not evidence or fact. It only tells us what you believe. It doesn't explain how it is rational.

 

[ElishaElijah]

These are theological concepts, none have even been shown to be true. Only people who are part of your religious framework will treat these ideas as true. These are irrelevant to those of other religions and objective thinkers.



Except it's not true, and there's no actual guarantee. These are just ideas religious people are told.


Oddly this threat is only taken seriously by believers, and they think they're going to heaven. So no one ever goes to hell.

That you believe you theology is not evidence or fact. It only tells us what you believe. It doesn't explain how it is rational.

I wasn’t a believer and when I repented and believed the Gospel, God did give me the Holy Spirit just like Jesus said as written in the Bible. This happens to every person when they receive Jesus Christ. Doesn’t matter where you come from in life, this is for everyone.

 

[F1fan]

I wasn’t a believer and when I repented and believed the Gospel, God did give me the Holy Spirit just like Jesus said as written in the Bible. This happens to every person when they receive Jesus Christ.

Your subjective experience and beliefs are irrelevant. Knock yourself out with your beliefs, we don't care. If you are going to insist some idea is true you need to demonstrate it is true using facts and a coherent, objective argument.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Your subjective experience and beliefs are irrelevant. Knock yourself out with your beliefs, we don't care. If you are going to insist some idea is true you need to demonstrate it is true using facts and a coherent, objective argument.

Believe what you wish, I’m just telling you my experience, what God did for me and countless others. How I know I have eternal life and found the Truth. The Holy Spirit bears witness to me that I have eternal life.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When a person repents and receives the Gospel, God gives that person the Holy Spirit and they are born again and have passed from death to life. This is the guarantee or proof that the Bible is true. The other proof is at the judgement where unbelievers who rejected the truth will be judged and go to hell for eternity while believers receive their inheritance of new glorified bodies and enjoy the presence of God for eternity in Heaven.

No, that is merely confirmation bias at best. It is not a proper test. And it is refuted by the incredibly different interpretations of the Bible of people claiming to be "saved".

I asked you before if you had a legitimate test for your beliefs and the answer still appears to be "no".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Believe what you wish, I’m just telling you my experience, what God did for me and countless others. How I know I have eternal life and found the Truth. The Holy Spirit bears witness to me that I have eternal life.

Once again, the mere fact that others claiming the same have different beliefs from you refutes your claim. It is not a valid test.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, that is merely confirmation bias at best. It is not a proper test. And it is refuted by the incredibly different interpretations of the Bible of people claiming to be "saved".

I asked you before if you had a legitimate test for your beliefs and the answer still appears to be "no".

Seems like you need something brother.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Seems like you need something brother.

Why? Because I can see that your supposed test is not valid? Have you looked into why the resurrection story is likely fake?