No , why does Jesus writing something make it more trustworthy ? Wouldn't folks say HE made it up . Eye witness's testimonies are more trustworthy, rather than reading someone's OWN claims about themselves .That's why we have over 40 authors , 66 books , over 1500 years .
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Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection
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Subduction Zone
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Very, very little of the Bible is eyewitness testimony. So why even bring it up. Quite a bit of it is made up.
If trustworthy testimony is a valid form of evidence in a court of law, could it be a valid form of evidence in religious claims?
How could they be scholars if they accepted myths about a figure dead for over a century?
Subduction Zone
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What are you talking about? The least reliable legal evidence is eyewitness testimony. The Gospels are not eyewitness testimony, even according to the Bible. They are hearsay at best. And though not a formal legal standard you will find that in courts of law that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What in the Bible qualifies for that standard?
That's your presupposition.
Subduction Zone
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No, you do not appear to understand the meaning of that word.
Subduction Zone
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@Barry Johnson , instead of making fallacious claims about others you should ask why they hold those beliefs. My beliefs are evidence based. You may work on presupposition. Don't assume that others make that error.
So whats the criteria here ? What evidence is required here , please tell us ,what evidence is required for the case at hand here ? And which committee decided this ?
We all have presuppositions dummy lol wake up and smell the coffee my friend.
Subduction Zone
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Can you be specific? What claims are you talking about and what evidence do you think that you have.
And please stop the foolish committee questions. If you want an answer ask politely. Don't yell to the whole world that you are rude and ignorant.
Subduction Zone
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You work almost totally on presupposition. There is only one needed for the sciences, but you probably do not know or understand it.
For Jesus . For the death burial and resurrection? let's here the necessary ' evidence ' that would satisfy ? ( but let's remember the narrative at hand here , the date ,the place and the accounts themselves. )
Subduction Zone
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The evidence for Jesus is not very strong at all. If you read and understood the Gospels you would know that they are not eyewitness testimony. They don't claim that. They were also written rather late. Paul was not an eyewitness. And claims of "visions" only make one question the sanity of the claimant.
Yes this is the standard approach " you don't understand " " if you understood it ..blah blah I spent 40 years as a non believer . Tell me something I haven't heard or that I never used to say my self as an atheist?
Scientic method = observable and repeatable. Try that on the bibles claims.
Subduction Zone
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I offered to go over the basics so that you can begin to understand but that offer was rejected. When you refuse assistance don't complain when others point out your lack of understanding. Why didn't you ask what the presupposition is?
Subduction Zone
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That is incorrect. It is only a part of it. One can test certain Bible claims using the scientific method.
That's not what the bible says .2 peter 1
16¶For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18And this voice which came from heaven we heard , when we were with him in the holy mount.
19¶We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Ok enlighten me then .