No I've read the bible plenty of times. I read it daily . I understand all the arguments against the bible i used to believe them for over 30 years . I've heard them all . I've followed Bart erhman , Carrier, Hitchens , Sam Harris, Dillahunty, Listened to just about every debate there is on youtube . I spent at one stage 7 months straight ( I was out of work) trying to disprove and find arguments why the the bible cannot be true .
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Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection
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Death , burial, Resurrection. DBR .
Subduction Zone
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You may have heard the arguments. You are unable to refute them.
And you did not try very hard since the Noah's Ark myth is dead easy to refute.
Subduction Zone
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The death of Jesus probably happened.
The burial is very dubious. Do you know what was usually done with people that were crucified by the Romans? The resurrection has all of the hallmarks of myth.
paarsurrey
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None of the 4-Gospels is written by eye-witnesses, please. When Jesus needed them then all ran away. Right?
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If you read the NT carefully ( but normally/ naturally) you will see that Jesus is not creating a big statement or a trail of evidence for the world like in some sort of Godzilla arrival. No hes presenting himself to Israel in a tiny corner of the world called Jerusalem. Thats why the accounts are written by specific people . Jesus didn't travel the world taking selfies for Instagram or a face book timeline. God uses people . Like with Abraham , issac , Jacob , Moses ect. Then he comes in the flesh to reach Israel proving who he is through signs and miracles ,then they reject him and consequently he's crucified. But its all perfectly according to plan as the atonement happens on the Cross. He pays for the sins of the world in his blood on the crosss , He's buried to prove he died , But then raises again on the third day . Long story short . He teaches the 12 to go reach the world later after he ascends. To share the Good news that by Faith anyone who believes would be saved, forgiven made new ect . This was intended to be written and endure through this thing we call the bible. A universal access to the means in which to be saved . Through his word. Written instruction book ,if like . Thats how God wanted to communicate to all .
Yes they are . But let's run with the radical Liberal scholars , they say such fun things. The writers are simply writing down what happened. By the time Mark writes he's seen all the event s take place in Acts .
Subduction Zone
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You do not help your argument when you refer to mythical characters of the Bible.
To understand why the resurrection is a myth one needs to understand the history of that time.
First of all do you understand why the mere burial was probably a myth?
Subduction Zone
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I promise not to use any "radical liberal scholars". Only mainstream ones that have passed peer review.
By the way, what makes you think that the author of Mark (probably not Mark by the way)/was witness to anything?
I thought you'd read the Gospels ? What was usually done with crucified bodies, doesn't apply to what happened next .
Mark 15
42¶And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
43Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
44And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.
45And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.
46And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
47And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.
Subduction Zone
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Yes, I read it. But that is no reason to believe it.
I can see that you do not understand Roman crucifixion. Part of the punishment was leaving the body up there.
Remember the author of Mark (almost.certainly not Mark) was not an eyewitness. He, at best, is relating a story.
Because of what he writes.
Subduction Zone
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And yes, it does matter what was usually done. If you want to claim that the Bible is factual you need to go over the flaws in this story. The Romans were not the only ones that used crucifixion in those days. The Jews did too. They would have taken the body down due to their religious beliefs. But the story specifically says that it was a Roman one. They did not give a rats behind for the religious beliefs of the countries they subjugated.
Subduction Zone
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So if I write some nonsense down you will believe me without question?.. Cool!
Why do you prefer to break from the narrative and go with what wasn't recorded as happening and instead go for what you think should have happened. The Narrative gives all the reasons why this was not a usual crucifixion or burial. There is nothing to be skeptical about the burial account . its totally plausible and there's nothing to suggest that Joseph was a fictional character ect . All evidence supports his actions ect .
If its nonsense then probably not .
Subduction Zone
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What specifically was written?
You do realize that the Gospel of Mark is anonymous, don't you?
Subduction Zone
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You appear to accept quite a bit of nonsense.
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At any rate, if the Roman government was convinced to crucify Jesus it is very doubtful that they would do a half donkeyed job of it. An explanation, A reasonable explanation is needed. This alone puts quite a bit of doubt on the story.
Well after hearing all the other theories about the DBR , swoon Theory , Hallucination theory , the corruption theories, ect you realise it takes more to believe these than the actual accounts. Just simply reading them disproves all the silly alternate theories.