This reminds me of how Christians used to say they have a "close and personal relationship with Jesus". I don't hear that much anymore, I wonder if they dropped this claim. When I did I asked what exactly the believer is relating to that is Jesus, but also waiting for him to return. It was just another absurdity in the belief and language of Christianity.They certainly have to reject what Jesus said in order to bring him BACK.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
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Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection
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Trailblazer
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No, that belief is still alive and kicking.
Yep, I have to agree with that. It is one absurdity after another, it's painful for me to read the posts anymore.
ElishaElijah
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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, wisdom is knowing how to apply God’s Word to everyday life situations. Understanding is knowing why? Seen as you have no fear of God and don’t even understand God’s Word or believe it to begin with then it’s more ignorant talk on your part.
ElishaElijah
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You wrote: Has it ever occurred to Christians that Christ returning is for believers to just be decent people? I find it sad that Christians over the centuries are expecting a mythic figure to appear, only to be disappointed. They could be bringing Christ back by just following his teachings.
Trailblazer
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You can say THAT again.
Christians are trying to make an old book fit a new world but it just doesn't work that way.
Riders
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If it's listed as Beliefnet I will look at it.
Riders
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You can say THAT again.
Christians are trying to make an old book fit a new world but it just doesn't work that way.
I agree, we just know too much that they did not know back then.
ElishaElijah
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Nothing new under the sun folks, Gods Word is eternal and has all the answers concerning life, never gets old. Anyone saying the Word of God is outdated doesn’t know the Word of God.
Trailblazer
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Everything gets old, and the Bible is not an exception to the rule. Christians just cannot face reality.
There are eternal spiritual truths in the Bible that will always be true but the social teachings and laws and the message conveyed by Jesus is outdated because Jesus did all He had to do in this world and it is done (John 17:4, John 19:30). The world has moved on to the next stage of its spiritual evolution but the Christians are stuck in a time warp.
Even Jesus said His revelation was not "final" because there would be many more things conveyed in the future. Unfortunately, Christians misunderstand the following verses so they are clueless as to what they mean and who they refer to.
John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
ElishaElijah
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A time warp? Not following that, do you have an example?
Fear? Why fear a loving God?
Like ignoring experts, rejecting science? Or are these things you do on your own accord?
No, as I can explain why I reject the claims theists, like yourself, make about Gods existing. You can't explain why I should decide a God exists.
Trailblazer
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Sorry, what I meant is that Christians are living in the past as if it was the present. The world has moved on to the next stage of its spiritual evolution but the Christians are living in the past because they are still referring to the Bible as if it applies to the present stage of our spiritual evolution, but it doesn't.
ElishaElijah
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There are different meanings for the word “fear”.
One of those is a reverence and respect.
It’s obvious that God exists from Creation and how awesome everything works together. At least it’s obvious to me.
I don’t ignore science or experts, I just don’t place all my trust in their interpretation and can think for myself. Man and science are fallible. I see different
Scientists and experts looking at the same information coming up with different views on their findings.
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ElishaElijah
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Still not following what you mean by present stage of spiritual evolution. What do you specifically mean by that if you can explain it.
If you mean reverence and respect you use those words. You used fear. That has a face value meaning that is not pleasant. Of course the authoritarian nature the Judaism and Christianity certainly suggests fear in the worse definition is what is meant. Christianity has a very poor record of advocating for virtue and decency.
This is dishonest. You're on the record denying results in science and rejecting expertise testimony in the Chauvin trial. You can't take that back. Unless you want to admit you made errors of judgment about dismissing experts and assuming your judgment was superior, and that you now accept evolution, .
And you have no rational or professional basis for this attitude. That is arrogance. It';s not wise.
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Trailblazer
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We have entered a new stage of spiritual evolution because we are living in a new age. It is called the Messianic Age because the Messiah has come. The Messiah was the return of Christ as promised in the Bible.
To be clear, I believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but Jesus did not plan or promise to return to earth after He ascended to heaven.
(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30, John 18:36, John 18:37)
That means that the return of Christ as promised in the Bible had to me another man and Bahai's believe that man was Baha'u'llah.
In the Baháʼí Faith, the "Messianic Age" refers to a 1000-year period beginning with the Declaration of Baháʼu'lláh in 1863. Baháʼís believe the period of peace and prosperity is gradually unfolding and will culminate in the appearance of "The Most Great Peace".
Messianic Age - Wikipedia
Baha'is believe that Adam was the first Prophet in the Adamic Cycle of religion and that we are living in the Universal Cycle of religion which began with Adam.
41: THE UNIVERSAL CYCLES
The present Universal Cycle of religion includes the Adamic Cycle (Prophetic Cycle) which began with Adam and ended with Muhammad, who was the Seal of the Prophets. The Baha’i Cycle (Cycle of Fulfillment) was ushered in by the coming of the Bab and Baha'u'llah. All Messengers of God that come during this Cycle will be under the shadow of Baha'u'llah. The Baha’i Cycle will last no less than 500,000 years.
“It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God’s appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that have preceded it. The designation “Seal of the Prophets” fully revealeth its high station. The Prophetic Cycle hath, verily, ended. The Eternal Truth is now come. He hath lifted up the Ensign of Power, and is now shedding upon the world the unclouded splendor of His Revelation.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 60
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Wasn't it during this time that documents were written by Roman historians (about Julius Caesar for example) which we accept as valid today?
How is it that Josephus makes passing reference to Jesus in his historical writing?
What is the difference between extraordinary evidence and just evidence (the coelacanth was thought extinct 65 million years ago with dinosaurs, and the evidence to the contrary in 1938 was just a coelacanth)?
ElishaElijah
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I didn’t reject expert testimony and science in the Chauvin case. I did say he overdosed, which he didn’t in the strictest sense of the word, but what I did say is the drugs in his system would’ve been enough to cause an overdose, the drugs did cause him to act in an abnormal way causing the cops to use the force they did to restrain him, if he didn’t have the drugs in his system would Floyd have acted the way he did and the answer is no. I also didn’t excuse the officers poor judgement by putting his knee on his neck for that long even after he lost consciousness, also contributing to his death, an expert did say that it was his judgement the officer was justified in what he did after Floyd resisted, fighting off 3 cops , was in the car and still managed to fight his way out of the car and that’s when he ended up on the pavement. A surface look you can say the cop murdered Floyd, I agree, but if you look at the whole picture I don’t agree it’s that cut and dry. Floyd resisting arrest and the drugs in his system were the main cause of the situation escalating to that point, Floyd did everything he could to get out of going to jail and taken into custody. Floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe from the get go when they were getting him in the car. Easy to look back and just blame the cop for everything and it’s you that don’t use the same judgement in other cases. It’s you that are ignoring this side of the situation.
What does this have to do with evolution, which from previous posts has nothing to do with Creation that would be bio-Genesis is what was the consensus.
As far as the Word fear meaning reverence and respect and the Bible uses the word fear so that’s why I used it. There are lots of words that are used that have different meanings in Scripture like love.
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