Smoke
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I'm glad you cleared that up.
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Why I Hate, Hate, Hate Religion!
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Hitler's religious views are unclear and irrelevant.
This is nothing more than a childish p***ing contest, trying to foist Hitler off on peoplewhose worldview you dislike. And yes, that goes for the Christians trying to say he was an atheist, too.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I don't know, maybe the Anti-Semitic view that (can) be found within Christian. I mean come on you your self in another thread said it was the Jews fault for killing Jesus.
I did not. You assumed that because of your own bias. I said the Jews (and by Jews I mean the leaders of) were threatened by Christ. They did not kill him though. This is not a reason to hate or kill Jews. Jesus taught us to forgive. So anyone claiming to be Christian yet calls for the genocide of Jews, based on how they viewed Jesus, is not a Christian.
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Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Really?
Originally Posted by Enoch07
Coming from the Jews that wanted Jesus dead because He disagreed with them, you are just as guilty as any Christian...if not more.
Originally Posted by Enoch07
The Jews handed Jesus over to the Romans on a silver platter, because His beliefs threatened them.
This sure does sound like some right here, what is Christian propaganda like this if not Anti-Semitic ?
Really?
Originally Posted by Enoch07
Coming from the Jews that wanted Jesus dead because He disagreed with them, you are just as guilty as any Christian...if not more.
That was in response to this from you:
I was saying you are just as guilty as the Christians you claim to be ignorant, because you refuse to believe Christians view just as much as Christians refuse to believe Jewish views. Your bias has blinded you from the facts in front of your face.
It is mean and hateful to blame the whole holocaust on Christians. Just because Hitler said he believed in Christ does not give anyone the right to blame the whole holocaust on Jesus and His followers. The Holocaust was the most shameful thing to happen in the 20th century followed by the lynchings of the South. They were both caused by racism and hatred- not anything Jesus ever taught.
Smoke
Done here.
I don't think anybody has tried to blame the Holocaust on Jesus, and I don't think it's accurate to confuse Jesus' followers with Christians, either.
Andal
resident hypnotist
In terms of the Holocaust, Christianity did play a role. It wasn't because Hitler was using it but because of the 2000 years of anti-semiticism. This laid the ground work for countless centuries of Jewish persecution in Europe. The Jews were often scapegoated for everything and this ingrained itself into culture and psychology. When Hitler came around it didn't take much persuasion to play off of centuries old stereotypes and hate. I recommended this on another thread but if you are truly interested in what part Christianity played in the Holocaust, please read Rosemary Reuther. She is a Catholic theologean who has done extensive work on the topic and she's really easy to read.
I don't know if Christian doctrin was what motivated the masterminds of the third reich. It may have been used to some lesser degree but religiously speaking Hitler and his henchmen were far more interested in the occult than they were in being Christian. They used to hold secret occult rituals and they long searched for lost items from antiquity, believing those things would give them super powers (I kid you not)
It is intellectually dishonest and incorrect to blame the Holocaust on Christianity. Christianity was used to manipulate the masses but it was not the driving force of those terrible events. Don't forget it wasn't just the Jews who were killed, it was also the Slavs (Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, etc), the handicapped, the Romani, Gays, and if Hitler would have succeeded he had every intention of moving further east to destroy those people too.
I don't know if Christian doctrin was what motivated the masterminds of the third reich. It may have been used to some lesser degree but religiously speaking Hitler and his henchmen were far more interested in the occult than they were in being Christian. They used to hold secret occult rituals and they long searched for lost items from antiquity, believing those things would give them super powers (I kid you not)
It is intellectually dishonest and incorrect to blame the Holocaust on Christianity. Christianity was used to manipulate the masses but it was not the driving force of those terrible events. Don't forget it wasn't just the Jews who were killed, it was also the Slavs (Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, etc), the handicapped, the Romani, Gays, and if Hitler would have succeeded he had every intention of moving further east to destroy those people too.
Does this mean if I say I follow Jesus, but don't say I am a Christian, does that mean I am not one?
I don't seem to fit the bill for Christianity- I am non-violent, I don't believe in a literal hell, I don't believe the entire bible can be taken literally, I don't call anyone a sinner(except myself), I don't hate gays, pagans, Hindus, etc., and I believe that all these faiths (and more) just might worship the same God. All I do is follow Jesus commands (or try to, the best I can).
J Bryson
Well-Known Member
It's a rare breed of Christianity that you follow, but it's one that I personally recognize as being based upon the underlying principles of the Gospels, and not the self-serving reinterpretations they've been subjected to throughout history.
I noticed you completely failed to respond to all the quotes I managed to muster which show Hitler trashing Christianity.
Again, quotes from a man who uses propaganda as a tool are not to be trusted, but his actions speak louder than words. If he was christian, or supported christianity, why was the Nazi party so against churches, christians, etc?
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Smoke
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As far as I'm concerned, if you say you're a Christian, then you are, but I'd have to say that you're a highly unusual Christian -- and I mean that as a compliment.
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
As far as I'm concerned, if you say you're a Christian, then you are, but I'd have to say that you're a highly unusual Christian -- and I mean that as a compliment.
If true then indeed she is.
So "unusual" that she would have to lie about her beliefs to be accepted as a member of ANY Christian church I am familiar with.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Might I suggest that you familiarize yourself with more Christian Churches? We're not all judgmental and weird. It seems as though you have a pretty narrow view of Christians. Maybe that's because you're around a narrow cross-section of them.If true then indeed she is.
So "unusual" that she would have to lie about her beliefs to be accepted as a member of ANY Christian church I am familiar with.
Some groups can be extremely self-righteous and annoying. That really bothers me, too, and I try to avoid them.
Actually, Christine would be more than welcome at my church -- and several others I know of. We hold much the same beliefs.
Smoke
Done here.
No, of course not. But your view of Christianity is definitely a minority view. In the historic churches you'd be a heretic, and in the fundamentalist churches, a bizarre liberal.
Actually, the fundies would just throw you out.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Yeah, I've been kicked off religious forums before for positing unconditional love. Imagine!No, of course not. But your view of Christianity is definitely a minority view. In the historic churches you'd be a heretic, and in the fundamentalist churches, a bizarre liberal.
Actually, the fundies would just throw you out.
Unconditional? What if the person is really, really ugly...
I was once told on a Christian board that I was going to hell because I like Star Trek. (and I am not making that up, though I wish I was).
(and I am not making that up, though I wish I was).