Why is it that when it comes to Pagans...?

[Rainbow Mage]

people try to deny that any attrocities against Pagans has happened or taken place? Why is this? People can talk about the Holocaust, the slaughter of the Native Americans, and various other genocides, but when someone mentions the genocide of Pagans by the Church, you get a cold shoulder like: "shut up you Pagan, no one cares." Why do people not want to acknowledge that any inhumane crimes have been done against Pagans? Does it mean nothing that several nations were force converted by the sword who were previously some form of Pagan belief?

 

[LuisDantas]

My best guess is that pagans are simply not often thought about. Most people think of them as mysterious, ancient people from fiction.

 

[GabrielWithoutWings]

No one mentions genocide of pagans by other pagans, either. It's mostly too far back in history. Also, no one mentions persecution of Christians by Christians either.

 

[England my lionheart]

I think its because Christians do not want to be reminded of the Churches murky past or even whats happening now like in Africa with STD's so its unsuprising

 

[Arav]

I agree with LuisDantas, most people think of them as mysterious, ancient people from fiction. Also, when some think of paganism, they think of some dead form of life that was lived thousands of years ago. Im not sure many know that there are people seriously practicing paganism. Many possibly see the practitioners of pagaism as young teenagers rebeling agaisnt their parents. Also, not many pagans today are effected directly or even indirectly, in a harsh way, from those genocides. There are still some people who are living from the Jewish holocaust or have a dead family member who was apart of the Jewish Holocaust. Even when many Christians, Muslims, or any other religions had many people die hundreds of years ago, I dont really think it should effect anyone today in a harsh manner.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What's a pagan?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

What's a pagan?

 

[Scarlett Wampus]

Are there any particular atrocities against Pagans you have in mind Senedjem?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Are there any particular atrocities against Pagans you have in mind Senedjem?

Yes- The conversion of the Norse peoples through deciet. The conversion of the Brittish Isles through genocide. The conversion of the Egyptians through deciet and theft of temples and holy sites. The force conversion and illegalization of Roman Paganism by the Christian Emperor Justinian. Need I list anymore?

 

[Arav]

people try to deny that any attrocities against Pagans has happened or taken place? Why is this? People can talk about the Holocaust, the slaughter of the Native Americans, and various other genocides, but when someone mentions the genocide of Pagans by the Church, you get a cold shoulder like: "shut up you Pagan, no one cares." Why do people not want to acknowledge that any inhumane crimes have been done against Pagans? Does it mean nothing that several nations were force converted by the sword who were previously some form of Pagan belief?

Also, Senedjem, how does this effect you?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Also, Senedjem, how does this effect you?

Gee, besides being a Pagan, I wouldn't know

 

[Arav]

Gee, besides being a Pagan, I wouldn't know

Well, to me this sounds like a case of Victimizing oneself become you identify with a group. Anything that happened to the Pagans in Egypt or other places happened HUNDREDS of years ago and have no direct effect on you.

EDIT: I just picked up Sanatan-Dharma and the Muslims and Christians did things to the Hindus in India and treated them badly. But I am not effected too much by this or take it personally. It happened along time ago and it doesnt directly effect me at all. Now, I do think that some of the things that happened are bad, but I dont victimize myself.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

And yet I provided you with the most concisely accurate response you can hope to get. Go figure.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Well, to me this sounds like a case of Victimizing oneself become you identify with a group. Anything that happened to the Pagans in Egypt or other places happened HUNDREDS of years ago and have no direct effect on you.

EDIT: I just picked up Sanatan-Dharma and the Muslims and Christians did things to the Hindus in India and treated them badly. But I am not effected too much by this or take it personally. It happened along time ago and it doesnt directly effect me at all. Now, I do think that some of the things that happened are bad, but I dont victimize myself.

So you are saying that we should just ignore what happens to Pagans? Gee I can see the OP was lost on you.

 

[Arav]

So you are saying that we should just ignore what happens to Pagans? Gee I can see the OP was lost on you.

I am done.

 

[GabrielWithoutWings]

So you are saying that we should just ignore what happens to Pagans? Gee I can see the OP was lost on you.

'Happens' or 'happened'? Pagans aren't a united group that can really be persecuted en masse these days.

People are ********** to each other. You don't have to be an Abrahamic militant to persecute others.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

No one mentions genocide of pagans by other pagans, either. It's mostly too far back in history. Also, no one mentions persecution of Christians by Christians either.

No one mentions Pagans killing Pagans because it was never about religion. When Pagan tribes fought (In Northern Europe at least), they never fought over religion. They fought over land and territory. When Christians came along, they fought and killed to convert. And when Christians fought each other, it was to prove which version of Christianity was the "Right" one.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

Yes- The conversion of the Norse peoples through deciet. The conversion of the Brittish Isles through genocide. The conversion of the Egyptians through deciet and theft of temples and holy sites. The force conversion and illegalization of Roman Paganism by the Christian Emperor Justinian. Need I list anymore?

The Norse peoples and the other Germanic peoples were also converted through slaughter, as seen with Charlemagne (With the murder of 4,500 Pagan Saxons for refusal of conversion), and with Olaf I and II Kings of Norway and their murder and torture of Pagans in Norway.

 

[Smoke]

people try to deny that any attrocities against Pagans has happened or taken place? Why is this? People can talk about the Holocaust, the slaughter of the Native Americans, and various other genocides, but when someone mentions the genocide of Pagans by the Church, you get a cold shoulder like: "shut up you Pagan, no one cares." Why do people not want to acknowledge that any inhumane crimes have been done against Pagans? Does it mean nothing that several nations were force converted by the sword who were previously some form of Pagan belief?

Most of the persecutions of pagans by Christians were done by their own rulers and their own people. People don't get as worked up about the persecution of their ancestors when the guy who did it was one of their national heroes and a saint of their church.

 

[fallingblood]

people try to deny that any attrocities against Pagans has happened or taken place? Why is this? People can talk about the Holocaust, the slaughter of the Native Americans, and various other genocides, but when someone mentions the genocide of Pagans by the Church, you get a cold shoulder like: "shut up you Pagan, no one cares." Why do people not want to acknowledge that any inhumane crimes have been done against Pagans? Does it mean nothing that several nations were force converted by the sword who were previously some form of Pagan belief?

Who is trying to deny them? You do realize that the Holocaust happened relatively close to our time right? And the Pagan atrocities you are talking about are so distant from us that no one really spends any time thinking about them.

Maybe no one really cares what happened in ancient Egypt. It happened, it's done. Why should we care now? Does it effect you? No, it doesn't. It is done and over. You aren't a victim of these atrocities. You immediate ancestors weren't victims of these atrocities. Seriously then, why even care? Why try to be a victim?