Why is lucifer considered evil

[payak]

If Lucifer was the most high of all the Angels, most beautiful and closest to GOD.

Why is he considered Evil just because they fought, and if he was so bad why did 1/3 of Gods Angels leave and follow Lucifer who now became known as Satan.

He surely must be a decent kind of being if 1/3 of the Angels turned their nose up at the almighty to go with the so called slanderer.

 

[Pegg]

If Lucifer was the most high of all the Angels, most beautiful and closest to GOD.

Why is he considered Evil just because they fought, and if he was so bad why did 1/3 of Gods Angels leave and follow Lucifer who now became known as Satan.

He surely must be a decent kind of being if 1/3 of the Angels turned their nose up at the almighty to go with the so called slanderer.

Jesus said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.
Satan is a manslayer. He isnt interested in our lasting welfare, he's interested in our lasting death.

That makes him bad imo.

 

[payak]

Jesus said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.
Satan is a manslayer. He isnt interested in our lasting welfare, he's interested in our lasting death.

That makes him bad imo.

If God created all, is he not the father of the lie.

He knowing all should have seen this coming when he created satan, he knows all so why didhe not see this ahead of time.

God is also a manslayer, the flood, and Sodom and Gemorrah are 2 of many times he slayed men, he has on occasion lied to, when he spoke of the trees in the garden of Eden, God lied.

 

[Caladan]

If Lucifer was the most high of all the Angels, most beautiful and closest to GOD.

Why is he considered Evil just because they fought, and if he was so bad why did 1/3 of Gods Angels leave and follow Lucifer who now became known as Satan.

He surely must be a decent kind of being if 1/3 of the Angels turned their nose up at the almighty to go with the so called slanderer.

I think it's important to clear up from the beginning that equating Lucifer with Satan is a later Christian edition. In fact in very early Christianity this wasn't even still the case as some Christian saints were named Lucifer until the 3-4th centuries before Lucifer went up on the cross of Christian dogma.

But you still ask an interesting question. If there are Christian theological doctrines which hold that Lucifer was considered a highly regarded being, and that such a large numbers of angels followed his political agenda it stands to merit him with a glorious career in heaven, and it would also merit his rebellion as having genuine political motives other than petty wickedness.

The truth is, Christianity needs an anti figure. Anti-Christ, Satan, false prophet. These beings keep the church in business much more than Christ ever could. Satan gave the Church an incredible sway over the common people in history.

 

[payak]

I think it's important to clear up from the beginning that equating Lucifer with Satan is a later Christian edition. In fact in very early Christianity this wasn't even still the case as some Christian saints were named Lucifer until the 3-4th centuries before Lucifer went up on the cross of Christian dogma.

But you still ask an interesting question. If there are Christian theological doctrines which hold that Lucifer was considered a highly regarded being, and that such a large numbers of angels followed his political agenda it stands to merit him with a glorious career in heaven, and it would also merit his rebellion as having genuine political motives other than petty wickedness.

The truth is, Christianity needs an anti figure. Anti-Christ, Satan, false prophet. These beings keep the church in business much more than Christ ever could. Satan gave the Church an incredible sway over the common people in history.

So true, and whilst this keeps the people afraid, The churches lies about mary being a prostitute keeps the woman in check.

 

[BSM1]

Satan is a manslayer. He isnt interested in our lasting welfare, he's interested in our lasting death.

What would Satan have to gain from our lasting death? Wouldn't this defeat the purpose of having followers?

 

[Raban]

Though my beliefs do not reflect many Christians, I separate the idea of Lucifer, and of the 'Deceiver', or the 'Lie'. Like the Christ which exists in us, and beyond us, I believe there is a 'fault' in human nature, and in the world which leads humanity astray, and into wickedness. I do not claim to know Lucifer, or its nature, but I believe it is possible he was a victim to this ethereal 'evil' which runs rampant in the world, and more vigorously in human nature. However another theory, is that Lucifer is a parable, and that there is no 'figurehead'. He was the most beautiful angel, but he is the most wicked, just as doing evil seems to be very appealing.

 

[Caladan]

He was the most beautiful angel, but he is the most wicked, just as doing evil seems to be very appealing.

This still doesn't explain how he degenerated from being one of the most highly regarded beings in the heavenly hierarchy to chief cosmic antagonist, nor does it explain why such a high number of angels followed him. Does that mean that a third of God's angels one day decided to turn to evil?

 

[Raban]

Pertaining to why the 1/3 of the angels rebelled brings into question what angels are. Most of my life I was told angels were Gods perfect servants without free will, and that is how we differed from them, but if angels rebel against God, then that means they chose to do it- this reflects an idea of an outside force that corrupted them, or that God himself sent them to plague the Earth as a 'test' to humanity. Either option brings into question whether God is really omnipotent, or 'all-good' at least in a human perspective.

 

[idav]

Sounds like more of a politcal thing. One of gods greatest creations must of had a lot of power to be able to take 1/3 of heaven and actually war against god. It is about taking the power in a different direction but not sure about the evil thing. If it was so evil then God could have just stopped it as soon as Lucifer rebelled.

 

[payak]

yes angels with no free will had the free will to leave

 

[Sleeppy]

By misunderstandings and ignorances came the production of lies, which usually are enough to convince others in similar ignorances or misunderstandings. Satan is lost, without a compass, or even much knowledge to read one. He roams through the dark, tripping and displacing everything in his path. IMO.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

If Lucifer was the most high of all the Angels, most beautiful and closest to GOD.

Why is he considered Evil just because they fought, and if he was so bad why did 1/3 of Gods Angels leave and follow Lucifer who now became known as Satan.

He surely must be a decent kind of being if 1/3 of the Angels turned their nose up at the almighty to go with the so called slanderer.

I don't consider Satan evil at all for my part. I actually have a slight admiration for him.

He is of course an elohim, one of the sons of El like Yahweh, who became the angel Samael in Babylon.

I rather like to think of Satan or Samael in left hand path terms. He is the dark god, the divine in the base and pleasurable, the flesh

 

[Philomath]

Why is lucifer considered evil?

Because of Christian dogma. Lucifer is not evil in my eyes, in fact I admire him. I am after all a Lucifer myself.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

A better question is "why is Lucifer considered real?"

Why are we discussing the implications of an idiotic lack of translation which has since been resolved?

 

[payak]

A better question is "why is Lucifer considered real?"

Why are we discussing the implications of an idiotic lack of translation which has since been resolved?

you don't have to say why are you when your the one who does not want to, not very bright.

 

[Awoon]

If Lucifer was the most high of all the Angels, most beautiful and closest to GOD.

Why is he considered Evil just because they fought, and if he was so bad why did 1/3 of Gods Angels leave and follow Lucifer who now became known as Satan.

He surely must be a decent kind of being if 1/3 of the Angels turned their nose up at the almighty to go with the so called slanderer.

People love opposites. So they gotta have a God/Satan relationship. Some People just cant accept life and the world the way it is.

 

[1137]

If Lucifer was the most high of all the Angels, most beautiful and closest to GOD.

Why is he considered Evil just because they fought, and if he was so bad why did 1/3 of Gods Angels leave and follow Lucifer who now became known as Satan.

He surely must be a decent kind of being if 1/3 of the Angels turned their nose up at the almighty to go with the so called slanderer.

I believe you are talking about the Christian devil, not Lucifer.

Carry on.

 

[Shermana]

If my dreams are any indication, he is a REAL *******.

 

[Pegg]

What would Satan have to gain from our lasting death? Wouldn't this defeat the purpose of having followers?

he isnt interested in followers

He's interested in proving that Gods creations are nothing. His enmity is with God and we are merely pawns in his sick game.