Why is lucifer considered evil

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Hitler had free will. So did Gandhi and MLK, for that matter. And all three of them were created indirectly—not like Adam.

But the God that created them with free will must also have created the potential for evil within them. You have to take the blame with the credit.

 

[One4Truth]

The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”
The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”
The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.

Doesn't change the fact that the entire concept of Lucifer was ripped off from Roman mythology

 

[One4Truth]

You may be interested to to know that Lucifer is not who may feel / think he is....
The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Clearly, this is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.

 

[Freelance_Policeman]

But the God that created them with free will must also have created the potential for evil within them. You have to take the blame with the credit.

I'm attributing neither blame or credit to God for the actions of those men.

 

[Awoon]

"Lucifer" is the man know as King Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[One4Truth]

As far Lucifer being a myth...yes. We cannot say the same regarding Satan as you indicate in #30.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Doesn't change the fact that the entire concept of Lucifer was ripped off from Roman mythology

Actually, it was ripped from the Baal cycle:

"No! Let us make king ´Athtar the Awesome.
Let the king be ´Athtar the Awesome!"
Thereupon straightway ´Athtar the Awesome
goes up into the Heights of Tsaphon in the North;
He sits in the throne of Mightiest Ba'al.
His feet do not reach the footstool;
His head does not reach the headrest.
And spoke ´Athtar the Awesome:
"I cannot be king in the Heights of Tsaphon!"
And down comes ´Athtar the Awesome;
he descends from the seat of Mightiest Ba'al.
and he becomes king over - all the broad earth/ ´El's earth, the whole of it

The Myth of Baal

 

[One4Truth]

The thought that Lucifer is another name for Satan is a myth......We cannot say the same regarding Satan. Many have yet to catch on to this subtle fact.

 

[Freelance_Policeman]

Yeah, satan is a myth too. Now you're catching on

Let me guess: God is a myth too.

That isn't the purpose of this thread. The validity (or at least semi-validity) of the Tanach should be a given. You're convincing no one by doing this. Go to an atheism vs theism debate if you need to express your sentiments about how nearly the entire world is wrong and you're right.

Anyway, so...does anyone care about my post regarding Satan? It seems kind of relevant, yet there are no responses...

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

As far Lucifer being a myth...yes. We cannot say the same regarding Satan as you indicate in #30.

Satan is just as much a myth, as is Jesus, and the Abrahamic religions as a whole really. If you do enough digging you'll find that no idea contained in the Abrahamic religions is original

 

[Gjallarhorn]

The thought that Lucifer is another name for Satan is a myth......We cannot say the same regarding Satan. Many have yet to catch on to this subtle fact.

Lucifer is a name given to the Christian reimagining of Satan given Christ's words on the subject, resulting in the reading of Isaiah 14 as about an angel and not a man.

So, yes and no.

 

[horizon_mj1]

After all in the last page of the Bible, is it not written "Alpha and Omega". Does this not mean "same as Christ"?

 

[Freelance_Policeman]

After all in the last page of the Bible, is it not written "Alpha and Omega". Does this not mean "same as Christ"?

How so?

 

[Pegg]

You have an intimate relationship with the creator of the Universe? You sure must be special

he views all of us as special and 'invites' us to have a relationship with him

“Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.” James 4:8

 

[Pegg]

But if God's creations (us) do not consider ourselves as nothing wouldn't this make your statement an impossibility? Also, if you accept the premise that a "Satan" exists, wouldn't a following of Satan simply be an exercise of free will?

in some way, many of us already view ourselves as nothing. The fact that mankind are killing each other in many places is evidence of how we view one another. Our own hatred for our fellow man is evidence that many do not view humans as created in Gods image for the same people who claim to love God, hate their fellow man in various ways.

Many choose to believe in evolution, and far from believing we are created in Gods image, they believe we are nothing more then animals in an advanced state.

 

[Thrice Great]

Lucifer is the Principle of Compassion for Life and Creation, the Light born in the Womb of Darkness . . . defiance of corrupt authority and the Current of Spiritual Evolution. Lucifer is that core level of the Cosmos. The Principle of Selfdevelopment.

The model of individuality, individuation, and independence. Lucifer is symbolized from culture to culture and is defined by that culture. Lucifer is a Collective Name for Spiritual Freedom.

The title "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Lucifer is mentioned in Publius Ovidius Naso's "Metamorphoses", which was written in 8 C.E (Roman) Roman poet Virgil mentions him as far back as 29 BCE. In Greek mythology, Hesperus, the Evening Star is the son of the dawn goddess Eos (Roman equivalent: Aurora) and brother of Eosphorus the Morning Star (Eosphoros "dawn‑bearer"; also Phosphorus, Lucifer "light‑bearer").