Frank Goad
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I have been getting into JESUS and the magic and psychic stuff from God
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Why is pleasure bad according to any religion you belong to?
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Gospel, from the old Anglo-Saxon 'God-spell', meaning good news.
The old laws are so brilliant that many are still written in modern day legislation, but they were not offering 'gospel' but a 'blueprint' for success, safety, health, strength and survival........... we are told that any people could have adopted these but that they failed because they did not.
And so a year off duties for newly weds could only be bliss for them.
Where I live, many of the old laws are reproduced in national and local legislation, those that are still in-date.
Hermit Philosopher
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It’s what is done in the pursuit of worldly “pleasures” that is “bad”; not pleasure itself.
It’s about where one’s focus ends up when one pursuits it (on self-interest, ambition, possession, etc.) and how blind to other things this makes one.
And, there's its addictive side, because -as worldly pleasures only quench one’s thirst momentarily- no amount of it is ever enough. Greed and single-mindedness is its long-term results.
Of course, many are those who can enjoy worldly pleasures and remain in harmony and balance with life, self and others - but not enough obviously, or else the world would not run as it does.
Humbly,
Hermit
ChieftheCef
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I'm sorry, sir, it was not success. Too little to be called success. Success is like Egypt or Mesopotamia or Athens or Rome or the Mongols or the United States. Freedom is what works with Nature, it's just Nature excentuating Nature with military. Other things like was normal back then clog up Nature and gum by going against what should be. In other words they do not integrate into Nature because they are not Nature. I can explain if you like.
ChieftheCef
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Again, sorry, sir, but that is an oversimplification of the truth. Earthy pleasures are required for wellbeing according to Science
ChieftheCef
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That is not to say over indulge or nduldge in anything you shouldn't but earthly pleasures are required to live a full happy life. You can forgo some, certainly, but all or too many? Nah.
Hermit Philosopher
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Your reply to me is off topic. The question posed in thread is why pleasure is a “bad” thing according to [a] religion - not science.
It’s important to word your questions accurately, because it is your question -as posed- that will be addressed by readers; not your own ideas outside it.
Humbly,
Hermit
ChieftheCef
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It is not off topic it is quite on. If there is a god etc then it is real and thus able to be studied by Science
Somehow I think this is not so true
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
Interesting
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
And No, it was not success, because the old laws were not kept. How many prophets would later cry out loud, lamenting how the people had strayed away from them? There's even a book with that name, Lamentations. For success those old laws needed to be kept, and 'back then' they all would have helped.
I wonder whether we have integrated with Nature? I hear about our dirt accelerating climate change. I hear about so many creatures becoming extinct each month and year.
But if you have an explanation for why the old laws of Moses were so wrong then I'll read it, but I reckon that for such laws to have been written thousands of years ago is just amazing.
How about this one:-
Deuteronomy {25:4} Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out [the corn.
Free to graze as it works............... a law of Moses!
John D. Brey
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If that is true, then the Heaven of that religion would be quite bad. An infinity of non pleasure.
Which, incidentally, also explains why I would vastly prefer Hell over Heaven, in the extremely unlikely case of standard Christian theology to be true.
It is a no brainer, really.
But the real reasons why religions abhor pleasure are quite obvious. They are physical and objective competitors of the imaginary ones they try to sell.
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- viole
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John D. Brey
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Do, you also agree that Hell is better then Heaven, right? If not, why not?
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- viole
John D. Brey
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In my evaluation this current world is hell. And the cheap pleasures, sex and such, are the jail-keepers way of establishing a healthy Stockholm Syndrome in all those who can be so easily convinced that this prison-cell is all they'll ever have so that they might as well get used to their captors and collect some cookies and nice things for berating those who know this life is prison and who preach that everlasting life exists for those not psychologically and spiritually compromised by a nearly global Stockholm Syndrome.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. . . If ye were of the world, the world would love its own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
1 John 2:15; John 15:19.
John
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This was a wonderfully creepy DLC. I quite enjoy the game.
Trailblazer
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That is not science, it is some psychological mumbo jumbo. It certainly could never be tested and verified so it is not science.
Since God created humans, God knows more than science about what humans need
According to religion earthly pleasures are not to be sought after.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Trailblazer
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No, not really, because there is nothing physical in either Heaven or Hell, so anyone who is attached to physical pleasures is going to be sorely disappointed. That is what Hell is, wanting what you can no longer have. The last sentence of the following passage aptly describes what Hell is.
“Thou hast asked Me concerning the nature of the soul. Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel. It is the first among all created things to declare the excellence of its Creator, the first to recognize His glory, to cleave to His truth, and to bow down in adoration before Him. If it be faithful to God, it will reflect His light, and will, eventually, return unto Him. If it fail, however, in its allegiance to its Creator, it will become a victim to self and passion, and will, in the end, sink in their depths...”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 158-159
ChieftheCef
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From Bing
"The Old Testament book of Leviticus, chapter 25, verses 2-4 states that “When you enter the land I will give you, the land itself must observe a sabbath to the Lord. For six years sow your fields, and for six years prune your vineyards and gather their crops. But in the seventh year the land is to have a year of sabbath rest, a sabbath to the Lord” "
The reason why this is good is because it allows Nature to reset the living through bacterium soil.
This was put into practice because of what amounts to common sense. What's better is what "Lucifer" got. Regenerative farming. Regenerative farming is essentially mimicking Nature.
Now to till the land is futile because it destroys the soil and kills it.
"In Genesis 3:17-19, God punishes Adam for eating the forbidden fruit by cursing the ground and making it difficult for him to grow crops. The verse reads: “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return” "
Your god is dumb enough to till land.
Our Giants of whom we stand uponj theior shoulders are better than yours.
ChieftheCef
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It has been verified, by countless observations. You're just a dishonest Christian with a keyboard. You know how they observed it? They measured it with machines. They are the ones who know about their **** because it's there job, not the great dumb animal that is the christian propaganda machine. Your brain is all kinds of angry, confused and sad. Try meditation it might unconfuse you and make you see the light.