My condolences.
You'd be happier up here in Revoltistan.
And while the winters are colder, we've no fire ants or killer bees.....yet.
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Why Islam makes more sense conceptually of all the Abrahamic faiths
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You'd be happier up here in Revoltistan.
And while the winters are colder, we've no fire ants or killer bees.....yet.
Thank you. In that case ,then yes, I agree.
Marsh
Active Member
Having derived yourself from the Christian faith you are probably aware that Jesus never causes the death of a single person. It is recorded in the New Testament, however, that he did intervene to prevent the stoning of a woman accused of adultery. He told those gathered about her, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." None of them were without sin and so the crowd dispersed. And to the woman he said, "Go, and sin no more."
Christianity teaches that no man or woman is without sin, all Christians know this. So the message is clear, it is not permissible to execute any person. The only Being without sin is God, and so God alone may pass such a judgement. Furthermore, Jesus is never associated with the government (whereas Mohammad was the government) which is why the separation of church and state is possible in a Christian land (and is next to impossible within Islam). This is the primary reason I see the West and Islam as incompatible--Islam wherever it is the dominant force leans to theocracy.
dfnj
Well-Known Member
2+2 = 11 in base 3. Everything is a matter of perspective in which you seem to be convinced your singular view of the World is the only right one.
While using numbers, your example doesn't relate to what I posted.
Oh, how you misunderstand me.
I didn't say that my perspective is the right one.
But some perspectives are more useful than others.
And I can recognize those which are wrong, or worse yet...not even wrong.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
This was one of those rare times I wasn't actually joking. It is clearly cases of religious cultural appropriation due to the twists that Muhammad threw at near on everything he wrinkled his nose at. For example, the Islamic Jesus bear virtually no resemblance to the Christian Jesus. They may as well have been two different people. It's sort of like you or me, attempting to speak with authority, about what Baha'ullah really meant or was saying in his writings to misunderstanding Bahia's. To me, that is a bit more than simply insulting.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
In common parlance that is known as shifting the goal posts and isn't generally useful in a discussion.
Marsh
Active Member
I am sorry I gave you the impression that I believe most Muslims are hateful. I know from personal experience that this is not true. I am familiar with the Wahabbist
SWT? I don't know the acronym.
I'm heading out for lunch and will have to chat latter. I am curious. What did you find unattractive about your Christian faith? What drew you to Islam?
dfnj
Well-Known Member
As if anything you've ever posted was ever anything more than just a useless platitude.
It is one way of writing a traditional Muslim honorific, one often used for God.
It roughly translates to "blessed be He", or more literally, "may He be blessed and exalted".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_honorifics
Dang, someone's angry.
Simply a claim of a conceptual view of a religion is very idealistic. In reality also you claim a logical conclusion based not on logic but an assertion of a selective presentation of Islam to justify what you believe. The whole picture in history is entirely different.
Both, there is much in scripture that is not relevant to the contemporary in Islam you cannot separate them. There is no separation of religion and state in Islam.
What I criticize is not words, but the history of violence, conflicts, persecution and ethnic cleansing of minorities and those that believe differently.
As far as the the treatment of women the Koran, of course, gives some rights to women like property ownership, but is greatly inadequate in giving women equal rights in society, and spiritual guidance for laws against rape and abuse,
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Milton Platt
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This post should be in the jokes section.
Islam is younger than either Christianity or Judaism, your “conceptual” B.S. aside.
Islam has been the force behind plenty of death and destruction.......did you just arrive on this planet?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Not everyone is good at math, either. LOL
I believe Biblically your on shaky grounds with self proclaimed salvation and saying others are not.
From: http://whatthebiblesays.info/WhoIsSaved.html
The teachings of the Bible are quite a contrast to this. To begin with, God's Word tells us that we should not label people as "saved" or "sinner." Jesus said, "Judge not, that you be not condemned". Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?" (Matthew 7: 1, 3) James put it this way: "There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?" (James 4: 1)
When the Lord was on earth, a judging attitude was prevalent among the leaders of the church. Many thought that when the Messiah came, He would save Jews, and not others. When Jesus did come, they condemned Him for associating with non-Jews and Jews alike.
Jesus discouraged this kind of attitude. Once He was speaking with some people who "trusted in themselves" that they were saved and others were not. He asked them to consider two prayers: "God, I thank you that I am not like other men," and "God, be merciful to me, a sinner!" Jesus praised the man who thought he was a sinner. (Luke 18: 9-14) It's better to think of yourself as a sinner than to think you are saved.
You may remember the parable of the good Samaritan, who stopped to help the wounded man by the roadside. Even though this Samaritan was of the "wrong" faith (from the Jewish point of view), Jesus said that the Samaritan should be loved as a neighbor, because he was a good man. In fact, He said that a person who wants eternal life should be like this Samaritan (Luke 10: 29-37)--even though the Samaritan was neither Christian nor Jewish. Jesus saw--and sees--what is in a person's heart, not just what church one belongs to.
The Bible states clearly that it is the way a person lives, not just what he believes, that determines whether he goes to heaven or not. Jesus said, "Not every one who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." (Matthew 7: 21) Again, "He shall reward every one according to his works." (Matthew 16: 27) "Those who have done good," He says, will go "to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." (John 5: 29) Since a person's life, not just his faith, determines his eternal lot, Jesus foretold that many Christians would not be saved, because they had lived an evil life. "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you: depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 27: 22-23, Luke 13: 25-27)
One reason why a non-Christian can be saved, is that he can love his neighbor. Anyone who genuinely loves his neighbor also loves Christ, although he may not realize it. Jesus said, "Inasmuch as you have ministered to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me." (Matthew 25: 40) Faith in Jesus, without love to the neighbor is meaningless. "Though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." (1 Corinthians 13: 2) Genuine love, on the other hand, is a sign that a person knows the Lord in his heart, regardless of the religion he professes outwardly. "Love believes all things." (1 Corinthians 13: 7) "He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God." (3 John 11) "Let us love one another, for love is of God, and every one who loves is born of God and knows God". God is love, and anyone who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." (1 John 4: 7-11)
Andraste09
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Andraste09
New Member
I couldn't disagree with you more .. Islam is as fake as any religion can be ... Considering its all made up by a Delusional desert Bandit and criminal gangster who molested children and had people Killed murdered Tortured and Executed .. Its NOT an auspicious starting point is it .. Look further into the character of the charlatan muhammad and you will see the truth of my comments.. Sahil Bukari Hadiths are a good starting point .. Then you have to consider "The Just in Time Convenient revelations he gets .. Come on .. His a fraud and a charlatan ..
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
I "thought" you sent me a link to Oxford, and now that I am ready to read it, I can not find it. Would you please send it again?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that is not even close to how good Christianity is.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
SWT refers to: Subhanahu wa ta'ala, Arabic for "May He be glorified and exalted", Muslim honorific. Islam is rich in honorifics and one can often hear them when the name of Muhammad PBUH (Peace Be Unto Him) and after the name of Allah SWT, or (Subhanahu wa ta'ala).
It is sometimes easier to talk to non-believers. From around age 12, I just felt that what I saw around me was far too orderly to have just happened. I would not have further exposure to religion until I was in my late 20's, though I still felt that Creation was not random. It seemed more rational that Science and Religion were intertwined in and inextricable way. Sadly, many Scientists seemed angry about religion, and the religious often were condemning of Science. How very Odd.
Religion came to me in 1974, and I tried very hard to be suitable to the Christian God. Finally, around 2003 I gave up on Christianity because after 2001, most I knew seemed to be ignoring the words of Jesus Christ, Love your enemy. I had been reading about Muslims in an effort to understand their point of view; why the attack?
These days, I don't feel we know the full truth about that pseudo attack.
I practiced Islam for 7 or so years, and am now simply fascinated with the Creator, and why there are so many mutually hostile religions? I still feel that Creation is not random.