It should be noted that the murders satan committed were at gods command
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why must God be good?
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It should be noted that the murders satan committed were at gods command
Personally i feel it's because they haven't read the bible.
Short answer: many people want to convince themselves that goodness is defined by the will of their god and could not be perceived otherwise. It makes no sense, but it happens.
Longer answer: doctrines and movements that emphasize god-belief are simply not often interested in questioning the moral wisdom of their gods. Quite often much of the appeal of the god-beliefs is third-partying moral discernment in part or even wholesale. There are people who feel easier with themselves when they are _not_ trying to decide what they find ethical.
By a perhaps more charitable view, it is only natural that people would not be interested in paying much attention to the designs of a god that they do not believe to be inherently good.
Perhaps that is even a reason to favor monotheism: if there are no other gods, then there are no morally questionable gods (or so they would believe).
There is a view that - at least in the Old Testament - Satan is in a sense God's Enforcer, fulfilling the necessary duty divinely assigned to it.
Of course, that leads to questions of whether it is even possible for Satan to be less agreeable to God, and what it means if it did.
It is certainly true that in the Old Testament god does not particularly attempt to preserve human lives. On the contrary, it clearly claims to want the death and disaster of various people and even gives specific instructions about harming them. Sometimes with the noteworthy exception of sparing their virgin women, presumably as a spoil of war.
So 'thou shalt not eat the magic mushroom' or careful with the wildwood weed even if it grew well on the farm.
That's most certainly the impression I've got from at least one or two posters here on RF, one in particular whom I will not name
Take a long hike through yellowstone. And you could get spiritual, very easily.
Or go scuba diving off laguna into the kelp beds. GO under the canopy at about noon 20-30 feet down and roll over onto your back and look up.
I have spoken to god a few times in snow storms 30 - 40 miles into the rockies. I have watched 8" cuthroat trout spawing below beaver damns in 3" of water and wished I never had to leave.
Mom and Dad did the wild thing; that is what gave you life.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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He doesn’t have to be and is claimed to be so without much evidence to back it up. I would just respect Him more.
God gave the word for Satan to kill Jobs seven sons and three daughters .
I can see why Satan ended up ending his employment with him.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
God enabled life to whoever and whatever He wants. Because I can 'see' life I am happy about that and I am thankful to God that I have life. The Almighty God desires people to respect and honor their parents. I did not know these things early on even though I went to religious services, and I am glad I know them now, also so I can look forward with happiness to the future God (not mankind) promises.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I realize you don't like it; I'm sure Satan was happy to do that; people are killed all the time in this world -- seeing the news parents are crying a lot when their children are killed. or sick. or taken hostage, etc. Children are unhappy when parents are killed and die. Since people are killed mercilessly or by accident or natural death continually, I realize you don't like the idea that God allowed Satan to kill Job's children. (You can always blame evolution.)
God makes decisions -- and of course so does evolution. Oh, no, sorry, evolution is mindless except that it developed minds in -- humans and more, right? genetically speaking, of course. Bye for now.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
His ownership of this world will be over soon for a long enough time.
The idea that he is an 'owner' of the world for any time at all would be an opinion. To many, he isn't relevant(or even known).
Soandso
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Given how chaotic and brutal life is in general, it does make more sense for "good" to be a minor attribute of god rather than the main one, should gods exist. The pagan gods make way more sense to me than Yahweh as far as gods go in relation to the world and how unforgiving it is
What you describe to me is an emotional experience not the deep kind. The closest I can come to the difference is this video:
It's interesting that atheists and literalists both read the Bible literally. What evidence is there that such a thing happened? And what evidence is there that a being called satan actually exists? There is much evidence that swallowing the Bible literally whole is not supported by either logic or scientific evidence. There is evidence that passages were changed or at least suppressed.
I suppose it's natural that Westerners living in Christian countries would focus on what is very common to them but it is limiting.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I am in favor of non-literal interpretations of any text as long as the reader can justify why they are not interpreting it literally. The problem is that the justification offered is almost always nothing other than convenience...
If a given event as presented in the bible didn't actually transpire then you are not supposed to default to a non literal interpretation. You must necessarily assume the possibility it is simply a falsehood.
Personally i read it from cover to cover without interpretation or making up stories that sound good. Literally as it is written.
Absolutely no evidence a god exists nor a Satan but the bible is considered by many to be "true"
Again the bible makes statements claimed to be "true", Satan is one of those statements.
Which other way to read a book? Make it up to suite your particular cult of religion? There is plenty of that happening.
There is evidence that in some versions of the bible, passage were omitted completely.