Why One God

[stvdv]

Trying to convince others I call debating, which I don't like at all. Introspection is fine as long as it illumines your being, and leads to action.

Don't like this stereotyping of Abrahamic religions.

Bringing to the surface
Until it goes into the background
That's all we can do

That all sounds cryptic to me. I don't know what you are getting at. Please clarify.

Very important to note is this:

Evangelism could be stopped very easily. And because it is not stopped, it means that evangelizing come from the Pope and/or others in charge, hence this evil is still at the core of Christianity as it has always been

Blaming me stereotyping "Christians as evangelists" is actually really bad in this context and even easily provable wrong, because more than 50% of all Christians think this way, hence it's a sad fact, hence stereotyping is correct and useful.

If these Christians mind being stereotyped as such, well easy, tell the Pope and others in charge. And IF evangelists will stop evangelizing there will be no more stereotyping of "Christians are evangelists" to begin with

I hope this clarifies it.

Even at age 10 I told my mother how bad evangelism is. I was aware of this at a very young age, though I was brainwashed in the Church that evangelizing was very good and needed. Brainwash had no effect on me
@stvdvRF

 

[firedragon]

Those aren't actual gods... rather things that people worship instead of God. That doesn't mean they actually exist.

You have got it completely wrong. He was referring to lordship of men. They were called God.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You have got it completely wrong. He was referring to lordship of men. They were called God.

Men are often worshipped instead of God.

 

[F1fan]

Men are often worshipped instead of God.

At least men are known to exist.

But why do adults feel a need to worship anything?

 

[Wildswanderer]

At least men are known to exist.

But why do adults feel a need to worship anything?

It's inherent to our nature. Those who don't worship a god still worship something. An idea, perhaps, or money or Fame, or beauty...

 

[F1fan]

It's inherent to our nature.

The root behavior that values region is an evolved trait in human brains.

Those who don't worship a god still worship something.

No they don't. Worship has a specific meaning, and I see some theists try to massage a dubious definition into these discussions to make what theists do seem more normal and acceptable. Religious worship is a specific type of behavior that is unlike anything else.

An idea, perhaps, or money or Fame, or beauty...

Just being a fan of some sports team or appreciating some type of music is not anything like worship. Worship is a type of non-rational behavior that assigns meaning in ideas or ideals. In religion these ideas do not correspond to anything in reality.

Being a fan of a specific sport, there is an actual sport and events. Being a fan of a specific athlete, there's an actual athlete, and they are performing. Only in religion do you have people worshipping an idea that is promoted by the institution, but not known to exist.

 

[cataway]

Those aren't actual gods... rather things that people worship instead of God. That doesn't mean they actually exist.

what you are saying is they have no power as to any thing . its a false god. its the same with a trinity of gods . there were many trinity gods

 

[Wildswanderer]

The root behavior that values region is an evolved trait in human brains.


No they don't. Worship has a specific meaning, and I see some theists try to massage a dubious definition into these discussions to make what theists do seem more normal and acceptable. Religious worship is a specific type of behavior that is unlike anything else.


Just being a fan of some sports team or appreciating some type of music is not anything like worship. Worship is a type of non-rational behavior that assigns meaning in ideas or ideals. In religion these ideas do not correspond to anything in reality.

Being a fan of a specific sport, there is an actual sport and events. Being a fan of a specific athlete, there's an actual athlete, and they are performing. Only in religion do you have people worshipping an idea that is promoted by the institution, but not known to exist.

Lol, the lengths you will go to to claim you don't worship are amusing. Not buying it.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Doesn't make sense to me.

I am of the opinion that there is more than One God. The Gods if you will.

This is because as I see it, something as complex as the Universe, with as many functioning and moving parts as it has, would take Many hands to Create; just like a complex open world RPG takes Many programmers to Create.

As things increase in complexity (cars, phones, houses), the number of creators always increases.

A Perfect Universe, does not mean we have only One perfect God. (I also don't think the universe is perfect, but that's a seperate issue).

Or another way to put it for @firedragon

1. Gods are Necessary beings for an Ordered universe and are Creators
2. To create, the creators have to have a will.
3. If there are two or more Gods there has to be two or more different wills.
4. Two or more wills bring about cooperation, and increase the overall complexity of the finished product (much like our cosmos)
5. The Gods are Many

Because all of these "functioning and moving parts" of the universe are all just illusions, part of One Thing. There is no such thing as The Hammer, there is no such thing as The Sum of Awe. There is no Jake from State Farm, and there is no Flo from Progressive. The table in my kitchen doesn't exist, nor does this computer I type with. These are all labels, illusions of separateness that our minds create. In reality all there is is God.

 

[The Hammer]

There is no such thing as The Hammer, there is no such thing as The Sum of Awe.

Yet.....


Here WE are .

Illusion it may be. But we are mixed within it regardless.

 

[The Hammer]

Maybe it's truly Maya (illusion) who is in control of it all

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Yet.....


Here WE are .

Illusion it may be. But we are mixed within it regardless.

That is true. These may be illusions but they are here, that means there's some significance and meaning to them.

Maybe it's truly Maya (illusion) who is in control of it all

It could be Maya, it could be Fate, it could be Time, it could be the unconscious forces of the universe, it could be a bearded man in the sky, or it could be multiple humanoid giants in the sky. Whatever it is, in my opinion, we'll never know. But It Is, and if you trust in It it will be on your side.

 

[F1fan]

Lol, the lengths you will go to to claim you don't worship are amusing. Not buying it.

Of course you know I'm right. But your pride creates too much inner pressure for you to admit error. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. Do you care? Of course you don't.

 

[firedragon]

Men are often worshipped instead of God.

The bible is not speaking of men being worshiped. Do you think when Jesus says in the old days "ye are GOds" to the Jews, that they were worshiped?

No. Men were respected. Not all, but some men were given a respect for a position. Moses was called God by God. That does not mean he was worshiped.

Hope you understand.

 

[Truthseeker]

Very important to note is this:

Evangelism could be stopped very easily. And because it is not stopped, it means that evangelizing come from the Pope and/or others in charge, hence this evil is still at the core of Christianity as it has always been

Blaming me stereotyping "Christians as evangelists" is actually really bad in this context and even easily provable wrong, because more than 50% of all Christians think this way, hence it's a sad fact, hence stereotyping is correct and useful.

If these Christians mind being stereotyped as such, well easy, tell the Pope and others in charge. And IF evangelists will stop evangelizing there will be no more stereotyping of "Christians are evangelists" to begin with

I hope this clarifies it.

Even at age 10 I told my mother how bad evangelism is. I was aware of this at a very young age, though I was brainwashed in the Church that evangelizing was very good and needed. Brainwash had no effect on me
@stvdvRF

Right, but you only cited Christians here. I'm sure it's because you are relating from your own exposure to Christians, and little exposure to other Abrahamic believers. I just hope you don't see Baha'is that way. We are not immune to evangelizing, but we are not taught to be so.

 

[stvdv]

Right, but you only cited Christians here. I'm sure it's because you are relating from your own exposure to Christians,

I mention "Christians evangelize" because this is a simple to prove fact.

and little exposure to other Abrahamic believers

No I mention Christians, because it is a 100% fact, easy to prove. And I "hate" debating on such things, hence I rather stick to facts no one can debate. And I don't want to share false info of course

I just hope you don't see Baha'is that way

I believe Bahaullah (I rather stick to the Prophet when it comes to the Teaching) NEVER instructed to evangelize (=belittle other Faiths telling one should abandon their Faith and convert to Bahai)

We are not immune to evangelizing, but we are not taught to be so.

This confuses me. What you mean here?

I think it's good to be immune (unaffected) to evangelism and its harmful impact, and Bahaullah gives many verses how to achieve this (free oneself of the problems aound). But I also think it's smart to avoid those who evangelize (belittle)

I believe am sure :
Bahaullah never taught to evangelize
Muhammad didn't teach this either
Jesus didn't teach this either

 

[Wildswanderer]

The bible is not speaking of men being worshiped. Do you think when Jesus says in the old days "ye are GOds" to the Jews, that they were worshiped?

No. Men were respected. Not all, but some men were given a respect for a position. Moses was called God by God. That does not mean he was worshiped.

Hope you understand.

The Hebrew states, “and he shall be to/for you as mouth, and you shall be to/for him as God [le elohim].” The Hebrew word translated “as” is the particle le (pronounced “luh”). Although the particle could simply mark the words “mouth” and “God” as direct objects of the repeated verb “shall be,” in context it may be taken as expressing comparisons. That is, although Moses was no more a God than Aaron was a mouth, Moses is compared to God and Aaron is correspondingly compared to a mouth. The technical term for the figure of speech here is simile.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Of course you know I'm right. But your pride creates too much inner pressure for you to admit error. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. Do you care? Of course you don't.

Of course I know you are wrong.

 

[firedragon]

The Hebrew states, “and he shall be to/for you as mouth, and you shall be to/for him as God [le elohim].” The Hebrew word translated “as” is the particle le (pronounced “luh”). Although the particle could simply mark the words “mouth” and “God” as direct objects of the repeated verb “shall be,” in context it may be taken as expressing comparisons. That is, although Moses was no more a God than Aaron was a mouth, Moses is compared to God and Aaron is correspondingly compared to a mouth. The technical term for the figure of speech here is simile.

Err. I didnt claim Moses was God.

Earlier you were claiming that many men were worshiped as God and the Bible was referring to that. Now you are speaking of something completely different.

Read John 10.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So one God is not capable enough? How do you know that? Could you please explain?

Isis could stitch Her chopped up Husband together. Shiva could piece together the Son He accidentally killed. Where does Yahweh show such talent?