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Why parsimony?

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
A heuristic shorthand applied in many human endeavors is the principle of parsimony. In simple terms, parsimony suggests that when you have multiple competing ideas, you should select the one with the fewest steps, or the least amount of complexity.

Why should one opt for parsimony? In what situations might this be appropriate, and in what situations might it be inappropriate? Does our tendency to gravitate towards simplicity or complexity say something about our personalities?

(as an aside, this topic was inspired by a lecture I attended today, and it's now on my list to find some references somewhere for the history of this idea as it pertains specifically to the sciences; on the odd chance that folks have good academic references in the philosophy of science for this, please throw them at me)
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
It makes answering this post simpler.

Would you say that people who don't like to do a lot of thinking (or who lack the capacity) favor simpler explanations? The term "simple-minded" is evoked here. Does this make parsimony the philosophy of dullards?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
To add unnecessary complexity is typically to....
- Make something more difficult to understand.
- Introduce error.
- Risk being led astray.
 

Fireside_Hindu

Jai Lakshmi Maa
People will most often choose the path of least resistance unless really, really motivated to do otherwise. I'm not sure why that is, but I think it might be a cost benefit analysis skill left over from ye olden hunter gatherer days. The more effort (energy, resources) you invest in an uncertain outcome, the greater the loss if the intended outcome isn't achieved.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
To make this as simple as I can at the moment: As far as I can see, all symbols have the same set of relationships to a reality as maps have to a terrain. Furthermore, all ideas or concepts about a reality are symbolic. That is, ideas or concepts are a subset of symbols. Hence, all ideas or concepts about a reality have the same set of relationships to a reality as maps have to a terrain.

The set of relationships that symbols, including ideas, can have to a reality (ideally) range anywhere from complete correspondence to complete non-correspondence. Moreover, the degree to which an idea significantly corresponds to a reality can be thought of as its "truthfulness". The degree to which an idea significantly does not correspond to a reality can be thought of as its "falsity". That is analogous to saying that the degree to which a map corresponds to a terrain can be thought of as its accuracy, and the degree to which it doesn't correspond can be thought of as its inaccuracy.

Thus, suppose we have two competing ideas. Let's call the first idea "A", let's call the second idea "B", and let's call the reality that A and B compete to most perfectly or completely correspond to, "R".

Furthermore, suppose for the sake of illustration that A consists of the notion that R is red, hard, and hot, while B consists of the notion that R is red, hard, hot, and throbbing. In other words, A is a less elaborate description of R than is B.

Next, for the two ideas to be in genuine or true competition, what we know about A's correspondence to R must be the same as what we know about B's correspondence to R. That is, A and B must have the same set of known correspondences. Say, for the sake of illustration, that set is "red, hard, and hot". Why the same set? Because if they had a different set of known correspondences, then one or the other idea would more completely correspond to R, and the two would not be in genuine competition (although some folks, speaking loosely, might still call them in competition).

Now, the rule of parsimony basically states that whenever we have two competing ideas about a reality, we go with the idea that is the simplest or most parsimonious. If we apply the rule to our illustration, then we would pick A over B as the most parsimonious idea. But picking A over B is logically the same as picking the idea which introduces the least unfounded speculation over the idea which introduces the most unfounded speculation, for we know that A's "red, hard, and hot" is less speculative than B's "red, hard, hot, and throbbing", since "throbbing" is not in our set of known correspondences.

Thus, to sum up all of the above, one reason someone might choose to apply the rule of parsimony to pick between genuinely competing ideas is in order to pick the idea that is least speculative. Of course, someone else might prefer the more speculative idea for personal reasons (e.g. they just darn well like the notion that R is "throbbing", and don't care that "throbbing" bears no known correspondence to R). The choice between parsimonious and greater complexity is somewhat a matter of taste.

At least that's how I see it. Of course, I just woke up from a nap, my head is still a little groggy, and so my thoughts on this matter are less than parsimonious, and probably garbage anyway. :)
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
I am confused...

I thought parsimony meant you were stingy with your money, not wanting to spend it?! How does that correspond to competing ideas, unless you mean which one is the cheaper route?

Selecting the option that is the least complex or most logical would simply be Occam's Razor.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Would you say that people who don't like to do a lot of thinking (or who lack the capacity) favor simpler explanations? The term "simple-minded" is evoked here. Does this make parsimony the philosophy of dullards?

There are many people who prefer simpler explanations and who are not "simple-minded" or dullards. For instance, Einstein and Feynman come to mind...

"I also remember a remark of Albert Einstein, which certainly applies to music. He said, in effect, that everything should be as simple as it can be but not simpler!" -- Robert Sessions. [Source]

"Nature has a great simplicity and, therefore, a great beauty." -- Richard Feynman, The Character of Physical Law. [Source]

"Feynman was a truly great teacher. He prided himself on being able to devise ways to explain even the most profound ideas to beginning students. Once, I said to him, "Dick, explain to me, so that I can understand it, why spin one-half particles obey Fermi-Dirac statistics." Sizing up his audience perfectly, Feynman said, "I'll prepare a freshman lecture on it." But he came back a few days later to say, "I couldn't do it. I couldn't reduce it to the freshman level. That means we don't really understand it.""[Source]
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I am confused...

I thought parsimony meant you were stingy with your money, not wanting to spend it?! How does that correspond to competing ideas, unless you mean which one is the cheaper route?

Selecting the option that is the least complex or most logical would simply be Occam's Razor.

Occam's Razor is sometimes referred to in philosophy (and I think also in the sciences) as "the rule of parsimony" or "the rule of the most parsimonious theory or explanation". When used that way, it basically means the simplest or most economical explanation.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
What a great OP!

(BTW tree-hugger Quint, I probably never mentioned that the house I live in, is in a redwood grove?)

Lots of possible answers here, but one idea is that humans are pattern-matching machines. A child of 3 or 4 can reliably tell you whether a given picture is a picture of a dog or a cat. This seemingly simple feat is just now barely possible for a computer to do. I'd say that valuing parsimony is consistent with relying heavily on pattern matching. Parsimonious observations will tend to fit patterns more readily.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I'd say that valuing parsimony is consistent with relying heavily on pattern matching. Parsimonious observations will tend to fit patterns more readily.

Dang you, Icehorse! Dang you for saying most of what I said six times more parsimoniously than I myself said it! For that, you get a "like", but I'd give you ten "likes" if I could.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Parsimony is simply the principle that when trying to explain a phenomenon, it is usually better to make the least number of assumptions. The more assumptions, the more elements that are likely to be open to falsifiability (testing). And the more elements open to falsifiability the greater possibility that time will be wasted with refutation. However, it's a mistake to believe that parsimony, the simplest possible explanation, is necessarily the correct one. Parsimony is an approach, not a guarantee of any kind.


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beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
In order to with good reason select the simpler explanation/option, one needs to know and understand ALL of the options. This requires extensive collection of evidence and thought about what is being considered.
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
Does this make parsimony the philosophy of dullards?
I would :) . We have no reason at all to assume that the universe was designed with simplicity of comprehension in mind. And in a complex system, parsimony is as likely to lead you into a mental trap as into wisdom.

How often is parsimony actually effective?
 

McBell

Unbound
I am confused...

I thought parsimony meant you were stingy with your money, not wanting to spend it?! How does that correspond to competing ideas, unless you mean which one is the cheaper route?

Selecting the option that is the least complex or most logical would simply be Occam's Razor.
The word "principle" is being left out.
Try looking up Parsimony Principle
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
The goal is not to be lazy. . . But to challenge assumptions.

For example, medieval astronomers were required to use some pretty complicated ideas to describe the movements of the planets. But that was because they presupposed a geocentric model of the solar system:

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Once it was accepted that the sun was the center, and the earth was only another planet in orbit around it, did the model become much simpler.

To me, that is the core of parsimony, the rejections of presuppositions that lead to unnecessary compexity.
 
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