Why religious forums ?

[Mock Turtle]

You are atheist or theist ?
If atheist, why should I learn from you ?

I would have thought you knew by now. I am a bit agnostic as to the existence of any creative force but a non-believer in any religion - seeing such as just the creations of humans - and as such having the flaws inherent in our nature. And you have no need to learn anything from anyone.

 

[viole]

There are many interesting NON-RELIGIOUS-FORUMS out there on internet. Atheists come on RF to:

• To teach theists ?
• Or, they have room for the existence of God somewhere in their heart ?

My heart pumps blood. Not sure what other use you do with yours.

ciao

- viole

 

[chinu]

So what? For constructive dialogue ALL the diverse beliefs need to be welcome to dialogue and debate.

When I said NOT welcomed.

But, why NOT atheists tell purpose first ?

 

[Roguish]

How is not believing in gods inherently aggressive?

I already explained in the very post you're replying to, but that's okay. The point is that atheism is a mental position, while belief is a cognitive mode. To avoid natural recovery of that cognitive mode, constant resistance is required (or constant distraction). Therefore the atheist must keep belief under constant attack. And that's why he comes to a religious forum. (And as I said: the opposite is not at all true. Belief being a cognitive mode, not a mental position, it needs no opposite to maintain itself against.)

I think we'd manage. We're in all useful professions, eg,farming, engineering, medicine, science, bacon processing.

Your livelihood has no direct bearing on this, though it is revealing that you apply the adjective useful to the "professions" you describe. (They aren't truly professions; they're jobs.)

I was an atheist with a sense of existence even before anyone told me about religions & their strange beliefs.

You can't be an atheist without knowing about religions, because the atheist position simply has no meaning in the absence of the notion of religions. What you're saying is that you'd never thought of religion, and didn't (or rather couldn't) care either way. That's not atheism, that's disinterest. (And if you're content with that, that's fine by me. I have no desire to foist religion on you.)

If you look at all the forums here on RF, you'll see many subjects not about religion. Don't read too much meaning or any restriction in the name.

That's like telling someone who joined the tennis club not to expect too many tennis lovers. It just makes no sense on any level. To tell me that I shouldn't expect too much religiosity on a forum called "Religious Forums" is telling me to disregard the meaning of words. We might as well all shut up for good. (Hmm...)

Some of us believers & heathens get along just fine together.

You mean believers & unbelievers, not heathens. A heathen is a believer of a non-Abrahamic religion.

Anyway, no, believers and unbelievers actually don't get along "fine", but it seems that way to you because believers have been cowered into maintaining the unbelievers' standards of "civility" and "reasonableness". You unbelievers have the power, and all believers in the modern world sense that. For believers the choice is to compromise a lot and maintain "good" relations with unbelievers, or bear the burden of being rejected. I recommend the latter.

BTW, aren't you the Admin here? I vaguely recall that, but I don't see it mentioned on your profile. Maybe I remember it wrong.[/QUOTE]

 

[chinu]

I would have thought you knew by now. I am a bit agnostic as to the existence of any creative force but a non-believer in any religion - seeing such as just the creations of humans - and as such having the flaws inherent in our nature. And you have no need to learn anything from anyone.

This does NOT confirms that you will teach me the right thing ?

 

[Sunstone]

They do because they need NOT any evidence-of-existence to take interest in them.

NO evidence of God's existence has ever been provided to any atheist. But, still they enjoy taking interest in religious talks.

Fiction, Chinu. Do you ever read fiction? Novels. Short stories. Most movies.

 

[HonestJoe]

Where you mean ?

I was asking you the same question you asked of atheists. Why do you use this forum?

Because when asked for telling the purpose ? they don't tell.

Well I don't like labels and can't speak for anyone else but I come here to discuss religion and all of it's diverse influences on the world. It's a significant and interesting social phenomena.

 

[chinu]

My heart pumps blood. Not sure what other use you do with yours.

ciao

- viole

Okay.

 

[chinu]

Fiction, Chinu. Do you ever read fiction? Novels. Short stories. Most movies.

I only watch cartoon movies

 

[Mock Turtle]

This does NOT confirms that you will teach me the right thing ?

I don't expect to. You have a set belief and nothing will change such until you release your grip on this. Not my job to do this either.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have NOT asked.. what will you like to do today here.

Purpose please ?

That is my purpose.

 

[chinu]

I was asking you the same question you asked of atheists. Why do you use this forum?

Because I believe in the existence of God.

Well I don't like labels and can't speak for anyone else

I very much appreciate that.

but I come here to discuss religion and all of it's diverse influences on the world. It's a significant and interesting social phenomena.

Of course all theists are welcome to discuss here.
And, atheists to ask questions.

 

[loverofhumanity]

There are many interesting NON-RELIGIOUS-FORUMS out there on internet. Atheists come on RF to:

• To teach theists ?
• Or, they have room for the existence of God somewhere in their heart ?

I was once an avowed atheist and I was sure there was no God, but later I found out I was wrong. I tried very hard to disprove the concept of God, but in the process found out God exists and now to me it’s as clear as the sun.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I already explained in the very post you're replying to, but that's okay. The point is that atheism is a mental position, while belief is a cognitive mode. To avoid natural recovery of that cognitive mode, constant resistance is required (or constant distraction). Therefore the atheist must keep belief under constant attack. And that's why he comes to a religious forum. (And as I said: the opposite is not at all true. Belief being a cognitive mode, not a mental position, it needs no opposite to maintain itself against.)

I don't know where you get such gross misinformation from. Not think that religious belief requires as much, or more, maintenance than any non-belief - which I think doesn't actually requires any maintenance. We would hardly have regular church or mosque attendance, reciting of texts or whatever, praying and the rest, which undoubtedly reinforces belief. Non-believers have no need of such.

Anyway, no, believers and unbelievers actually don't get along "fine", but it seems that way to you because believers have been cowered into maintaining the unbelievers' standards of "civility" and "reasonableness". You unbelievers have the power, and all believers in the modern world sense that. For believers the choice is to compromise a lot and maintain "good" relations with unbelievers, or bear the burden of being rejected. I recommend the latter.

That must be the joke of the century. Not know much about history? Non-believers have hardly been in any position of power to oppose religions, such that when it is now perceived so - even though probably 85% or so still have a religious belief - you still see it as a threat! I don't know what kind of world you inhabit but people come here voluntarily, and don't have to participate if they don't want to.

 

[Revoltingest]

I already explained in the very post you're replying to, but that's okay. The point is that atheism is a mental position, while belief is a cognitive mode. To avoid natural recovery of that cognitive mode, constant resistance is required (or constant distraction). Therefore the atheist must keep belief under constant attack. And that's why he comes to a religious forum. (And as I said: the opposite is not at all true. Belief being a cognitive mode, not a mental position, it needs no opposite to maintain itself against.)

Weird....you make atheism so complicated.
I just don't believe in all these unevidenced gods.
Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

Your livelihood has no direct bearing on this, though it is revealing that you apply the adjective useful to the "professions" you describe. (They aren't truly professions; they're jobs.)

You claimed we need believers.
I showed that we don't.
We can exist without them.

You can't be an atheist without knowing about religions, because the atheist position simply has no meaning in the absence of the notion of religions. What you're saying is that you'd never thought of religion, and didn't (or rather couldn't) care either way. That's not atheism, that's disinterest. (And if you're content with that, that's fine by me. I have no desire to foist religion on you.)

I was born not believing in gods, & therefore an atheist.
I never saw any reason to change.

That's like telling someone who joined the tennis club not to expect too many tennis lovers. It just makes no sense on any level. To tell me that I shouldn't expect too much religiosity on a forum called "Religious Forums" is telling me to disregard the meaning of words. We might as well all shut up for good. (Hmm...)

If your tennis club hosts other sports,
then expect those players to show up too.
Nothing wrong with that.

You mean believers & unbelievers, not heathens. A heathen is a believer of a non-Abrahamic religion.

"Heathen" has more meanings than just that one.
"Unbeliever" & "non-believer" are good too.

Anyway, no, believers and unbelievers actually don't get along "fine", but it seems that way to you because believers have been cowered into maintaining the unbelievers' standards of "civility" and "reasonableness". You unbelievers have the power, and all believers in the modern world sense that. For believers the choice is to compromise a lot and maintain "good" relations with unbelievers, or bear the burden of being rejected. I recommend the latter.

I have many friends who are believers.
We get along because we've no need to change the other.

BTW, aren't you the Admin here? I vaguely recall that, but I don't see it mentioned on your profile. Maybe I remember it wrong.

I have no power here whatsoever, other than persuasion.
Admins would never consider me to become one of them.
I don't fit their culture (a bunch of liberal namby pamby
yes-men & yes-women who hold Mazola parties).

Although I did once consider buying the forum. It offered a
great ROI, but there were issues of an unreliable revenue
stream due to ad blocker proliferation. And it would've meant
learning about the system & its maintenance. So I passed.

 

[chinu]

I was once an avowed atheist and I was sure there was no God, but later I found out I was wrong. I tried very hard to disprove the concept of God, but in the process found out God exists and now to me it’s as clear as the sun.

Congratulations!

 

[Left Coast]

There are many interesting NON-RELIGIOUS-FORUMS out there on internet. Atheists come on RF to:

• To teach theists ?
• Or, they have room for the existence of God somewhere in their heart ?

In addition to reasons others have mentioned, some religions are non-theistic.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The most interesting thing is about
Atheists is that they are always complaining about a God they don't believe in.
Think about it..why would People let A God that they don't believe in...
Bother them so much?

 

[chinu]

I don't expect to. You have a set belief and nothing will change such until you release your grip on this.

Similarly, you have a set belief and nothing will change such until you release your grip on this.

Not my job to do this either.

Similarly, Not my job to do this either

Relax

 

[chinu]

In addition to reasons others have mentioned, some religions are non-theistic.

In addition to others

Why you suspect that your own given reason is of LESS weightage ?