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Why Russia Might Invade Ukraine But Shouldn't

Brickjectivity

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Johnny Harris has made several observations about the situation in his video:
Reasons Russia Shouldn't Invade:
  1. Russia has a far superior army to Ukraine's, but Ukraine has a good army and will do damage.
  2. Controlling territory in Ukraine would be very hard to conquer.
  3. Invading Ukraine would give NATO new purpose. It was invented during the Cold War and has become a questionable expense.
I would also personally add that Russia is responsible to protect the countries on its borders, including those which share a border with China. Invading Ukraine will distract from this policy. If he wants to keep all of the family together then he must show dedication not create blood feuds.

Reasons the Video Suggests Russia Might:
  1. Ukraine is the original heart of the country which once encompassed both Ukraine and Russia.
  2. Putin views the West as oppressors trying to divide and control former Soviet countries.
  3. Putin views the fall of the Soviet Union as the greatest disaster of the 20th century.
Putin is quite an interesting and dynamic character. I am generally concerned that he will do this. If he does I wonder what other countries will use it as a distraction to make a move? I wonder if this will weaken or strengthen the NATO alliance? I have been hoping for some time now that everybody would start winding down and putting away the weapons. I don't understand how this action could unite Ukraine and Russia in spirit. It seems to me like Ukrainians and the other previously soviet countries would tense up.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Johnny Harris has made several observations about the situation in his video:
Reasons Russia Shouldn't Invade:
  1. Russia has a far superior army to Ukraine's, but Ukraine has a good army and will do damage.
  2. Controlling territory in Ukraine would be very hard to conquer.
  3. Invading Ukraine would give NATO new purpose. It was invented during the Cold War and has become a questionable expense.
I would also personally add that Russia is responsible to protect the countries on its borders, including those which share a border with China. Invading Ukraine will distract from this policy. If he wants to keep all of the family together then he must show dedication not create blood feuds.

Reasons the Video Suggests Russia Might:
  1. Ukraine is the original heart of the country which once encompassed both Ukraine and Russia.
  2. Putin views the West as oppressors trying to divide and control former Soviet countries.
  3. Putin views the fall of the Soviet Union as the greatest disaster of the 20th century.
Putin is quite an interesting and dynamic character. I am generally concerned that he will do this. If he does I wonder what other countries will use it as a distraction to make a move? I wonder if this will weaken or strengthen the NATO alliance? I have been hoping for some time now that everybody would start winding down and putting away the weapons. I don't understand how this action could unite Ukraine and Russia in spirit. It seems to me like Ukrainians and the other previously soviet countries would tense up.

Ukraine was also one of the founding members of the Soviet Union.

Modern history of Ukraine - Wikipedia
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I think a compromise can be reached. I would suggest that Putin guarantee to pull out of the district in East Ukraine and stop all hostilities. And Ukraine will agree not to join NATO as long as Putin is alive. Putin is Stalin Lite. Many Russians wanted different polices than Stalin and after his death in 1953 they became a more stable government. Their series of leaders through the decades resulted in more progressive leadership in Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Once Putin is gone, and assuming Russians will rebuild their democracy, they will be more like Ukraine is today, with more social freedoms and liberties.

I think the West needs to negotiate to get through the Putin era and wait until he's gone, and then help russia rebuild its democracy. Let's note that the USA might collapse as a democracy and resemble what Russia is today, with little freedoms and a single party in control due to corrupt use of their power and authority. So time will tell. If America collapses as a democracy it could along with Russia against our traditional allies, and more instability will be the effect. Perhaps another global war if there is a dispute over resources.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Their series of leaders through the decades resulted in more progressive leadership in Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Once Putin is gone, and assuming Russians will rebuild their democracy, they will be more like Ukraine is today, with more social freedoms and liberties.

But these were disastrous times for the Russian people, shortages and inflation, by the time Putin emerged again the people were done with a democracy that didn't work for them and wanted Russian pride to return, Putin was the answer even with his KGB tactics.
 

amorphous_constellation

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Reasons Russia Shouldn't Invade:
  1. Russia has a far superior army to Ukraine's, but Ukraine has a good army and will do damage.
  2. Controlling territory in Ukraine would be very hard to conquer.
  3. Invading Ukraine would give NATO new purpose. It was invented during the Cold War and has become a questionable expense.

Well, unfortunately it might be because 4. might be worse than any other of those three. And that, maybe has to do with the probable reality of the build-up on the Ukraine populace's collective psyche. Just imagine if you were there. How would that make you feel, knowing that there were over 100,000 troops just over the horizon, in an 'alleged' (according to some positions) build-up. Yes, there are those that claim the ostensible siege is merely a mirage.

Some positions say that they are all just there merely to work out, and exercise. And when you think about it, philosophically, a near universal position on social issues, of any kind, is often to cut through them as dog-whistling illusions, breaking anything and everything down to 'truths' which the individual must get to, by wading through the 'gaslighting' that always comes from somewhere.

So with that in mind, I don't actually know what the troops are doing, all massed up there. Maybe they will simply go home. But if they don't, and I guess even if they eventually do, the acting agent of their presence surely works intractably on the subconscious. Cortisol and other stress hormones rise in the blood of the Ukrainian population, and world population, without even the conscious intent of those troops that are 'allegedly building up.'

When animals hunt other animals, one can ascertain by common knowledge that the predator animal is seeking to wear down the prey animal, to some degree. So humans, with their human intelligence, can take most any animal process, and stretch it out beyond the natural. So with that, I suppose I would posit that reason 4. might merely be the 'application of stress.' And I think that this is probably easily and commonly understood

Perhaps the hope lies in taking our human abilities to stretch out, in a sort of game theoretic advantage, I suppose, the resilience to that stress
 
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