Why should I believe in your religion and faith?

[Popeyesays]

The Qur'an is speaking symbolically. The body died but the flesh is dust. The spirit was taken up from the cross.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Fish-Hunter]

The Qur'an is speaking symbolically. The body died but the flesh is dust. The spirit was taken up from the cross.

Regards,
Scott

Does the Qu'ran teach that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead? It appears Islam like Mormonism is restoration theology from the great apostasy.

Islam (Arabic: الإسلام; al-'islām (help·info)) is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure. The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God (Arabic: الله, Allāh).[1] An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits (to God)".[2][3] There are between 1 billion to 1.8 billion Muslims, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world after Christianity.[4]
Muslims believe that God revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad, God's final prophet, and regard the Qur'an and the Sunnah (words and deeds of Muhammad) as the fundamental sources of Islam.[5] They do not regard Muhammad as the founder of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets. Islamic tradition holds that Jews and Christians distorted the revelations God gave to these prophets by either altering the text, introducing a false interpretation, or both.[6]

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Popeyesays]

Surah of Mary (Yusuf Ali trans.)

"29But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30He said: "I am indeed a servant of God: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
31"And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
32"(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
33"So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
34Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. "

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Surah of Mary (Yusuf Ali trans.)

"29But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30He said: "I am indeed a servant of God: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
31"And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
32"(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
33"So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
34Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. "

Please explain and interpert these verses as a Fundemental Muslim would interpert them. Did you realize that Islam is the restoration of the apparent apostasy of Judism and Christianity?

 

[Popeyesays]

Abdu'l-Bahá says: --
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Know that the return of Christ for a second time doth not mean what the people believe, but rather signifieth the One promised to come after Him. He shall come with the Kingdom of God and His Power which hath surrounded the world. This dominion is in the world of hearts and spirits, and not in that of matter; for the material world is not comparable to a single wing of a fly, in the sight of the Lord, wert thou of those who know! Verily Christ came with His Kingdom from the beginning which hath no beginning, and will come with His Kingdom to the eternity of eternities, inasmuch as in this sense "Christ" is an expression of the Divine Reality, the simple Essence and heavenly Entity, which hath no beginning nor ending. It hath appearance, arising, manifestation and setting in each of the cycles.

Abdu'l Baha quoted in Baha'u'llah and the New Era, p. 224.
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[Fish-Hunter]

Abdu'l-Bahá says: --

4

Know that the return of Christ for a second time doth not mean what the people believe, but rather signifieth the One promised to come after Him. He shall come with the Kingdom of God and His Power which hath surrounded the world. This dominion is in the world of hearts and spirits, and not in that of matter; for the material world is not comparable to a single wing of a fly, in the sight of the Lord, wert thou of those who know! Verily Christ came with His Kingdom from the beginning which hath no beginning, and will come with His Kingdom to the eternity of eternities, inasmuch as in this sense "Christ" is an expression of the Divine Reality, the simple Essence and heavenly Entity, which hath no beginning nor ending. It hath appearance, arising, manifestation and setting in each of the cycles.​

Abdu'l Baha quoted in Baha'u'llah and the New Era, p. 224.​

Jesus Christ asked Peter the significant question of "who do you say that I am?" In your Bahia Faith, please share what Abdu'l Baha would say that the historical Jesus Christ was or is?

 

[Popeyesays]

Jesus Christ asked Peter the significant question of "who do you say that I am?" In your Bahia Faith, please share what Abdu'l Baha would say that the historical Jesus Christ was or is?

In the Word of God there is still another unity, the oneness of the Manifestations of God, His Holiness Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh. This is a unity divine, heavenly, radiant, merciful; the one reality appearing in its successive manifestations. For instance, the sun is one and the same but its points of dawning are various. During the summer season it rises from the northern point of the ecliptic; in winter it appears from the southern point of rising. Each month between it appears from a certain zodiacal position. Although these dawning-points are different, the sun is the same sun which has appeared from them all. The significance is the reality of prophethood which is symbolized by the sun, and the holy Manifestations are the dawning-places or zodiacal points.
5There is also the divine unity or entity which is sanctified above all concept of humanity. It cannot be comprehended nor conceived because it is infinite reality and cannot become finite. Human minds are incapable of surrounding that reality because all thoughts and conceptions of it are finite, intellectual creations and not the reality of divine being which alone knows itself. For example, if we form a conception of divinity as a living, almighty, self-subsisting, eternal being, this is only a concept apprehended by a human intellectual reality. It would not be the outward, visible reality which is beyond the power of human mind to conceive or encompass. We ourselves have an external, visible entity but even our concept of it is the product of our own brain and limited comprehension. The reality of divinity is sanctified above this degree of knowing and realization. It has ever been hidden and secluded in its own holiness and sanctity above our comprehending. Although it transcends our realization, its lights, bestowals, traces and virtues have become manifest in the realities of the prophets, even as the sun becomes resplendent in various mirrors. These holy realities are as reflectors, and the reality of divinity is as the sun which although it is reflected from the mirrors, and its virtues and perfections become resplendent therein, does not stoop from its own station of majesty and glory and seek abode in the mirrors; it remains in its heaven of sanctity. At most it is this, that its lights become manifest and evident in its mirrors or manifestations. Therefore its bounty proceeding from them is one bounty but the recipients of that bounty are many. This is the unity of God; this is oneness;--unity of divinity, holy above ascent or descent, embodiment, comprehension or idealization;--divine unity. The prophets are its mirrors; its lights are revealed through them; its virtues become resplendent in them, but the Sun of Reality never descends from its own highest point and station. This is unity, oneness, sanctity; this is glorification whereby we praise and adore God.


Baha'i World Faith, pp. 259-260

 

[Popeyesays]

Healso says this:
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Another unity is the spiritual unity which emanates from the breaths of the Holy Spirit. This is greater than the unity of mankind. Human unity or solidarity may be likened to the body whereas unity from the breaths of the Holy Spirit is the spirit animating the body. This is a perfect unity. It creates such a condition in mankind that each one will make sacrifices for the other and the utmost desire will be to forfeit life and all that pertains to it in behalf of another's good. This is the unity which existed among the disciples of His Holiness Jesus Christ and bound together the prophets and holy souls of the past. It is the unity which through the influence of the divine spirit is permeating the Bahá'ís so that each offers his life for the other and strives with all sincerity to attain his good-pleasure. This is the unity which caused twenty thousand people in Írán to give their lives in love and devotion to it. It made the Báb the target of a thousand arrows and caused Bahá'u'lláh to suffer exile and imprisonment forty years. This unity is the very spirit of the body of the world. It is impossible for the body of the world to become quickened with life without its vivification. His Holiness Jesus Christ--may my life be a sacrifice to Him!--promulgated this unity among mankind. Every soul who believed in Jesus Christ became revivified and resuscitated through this spirit, attained to the zenith of eternal glory, realized the life everlasting, experienced the second birth and rose to the acme of good fortune. "

 

[Fish-Hunter]

In the Word of God there is still another unity, the oneness of the Manifestations of God, His Holiness Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh.
Baha'i World Faith, pp. 259-260

Are you saying the Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, the B'ab and Baha'u'llah are all one and the same person of God?

 

[Kcnorwood]

Could someone who believes in Islam post if Mohammad is considered to be the greatest prophet, even greater than Jesus?

Who says Jesus is the greast prophet?

 

[Popeyesays]

Are you saying the Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, the B'ab and Baha'u'llah are all one and the same person of God?

Yes.

No.

Either answer is correct. Both at the same time is more preferable.

They are all Manifestations of God and share the same "Throne". They are all individual humans Who appear at widely different places and times.

They are one and the Same. They are each unique.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Yes.

No.

Either answer is correct. Both at the same time is more preferable.

They are all Manifestations of God and share the same "Throne". They are all individual humans Who appear at widely different places and times.

They are one and the Same. They are each unique.

Regards,
Scott

Interesting, do you believe in One God manifested in different persons? Do you see these gods as being fully God, or being God and man both?

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Who says Jesus is the greast prophet?

I think the historical Jesus revealed in the Bible claimed to be much more than the greatest prophet. I believe Jesus clearly claimed to be God in the flesh, co-equal with God the Father.

 

[Kcnorwood]

I think the historical Jesus revealed in the Bible claimed to be much more than the greatest prophet. I believe Jesus clearly claimed to be God in the flesh, co-equal with God the Father.

So big deal he taught went around teaching the same thing that Buddha did only Buddha never claimed to be a God & of course Buddha did this some 400 before christ came along. I find it more amusing that if you read the teachings of Christ & read the teachings of Buddha you'll find that Jesus pretty much copied Buddha. I guess he wasn't able to think of anythingbetter to say... some God you got there.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

So big deal he taught went around teaching the same thing that Buddha did only Buddha never claimed to be a God & of course Buddha did this some 400 before christ came along. I find it more amusing that if you read the teachings of Christ & read the teachings of Buddha you'll find that Jesus pretty much copied Buddha. I guess he wasn't able to think of anythingbetter to say... some God you got there.

I sense much hostility to the God revealed in the Holy Bible. It appears that the message of the cross is foolishness to you and an offense.

 

[Kcnorwood]

I sense much hostility to the God revealed in the Holy Bible. It appears that the message of the cross is foolishness to you and an offense.

Typical Christian response to a commet you can not anwser... Your quick to point your finger because you have no anwser too. Besides how can I be hostile to something I do no believe in?

 

[Popeyesays]

Interesting, do you believe in One God manifested in different persons? Do you see these gods as being fully God, or being God and man both?

Man is dependent upon the universe for his continued existence--air to breathe temprature warm enough to keep water liquid, not so hot that it cannot be kept liquid. Gravity keeps in an environment where we can be warmed, cooled and have air to breathe.

God requires nothing from the universe or man to exist.

God is the C reator, man is created.

God is infinite, man is not; therefore man cannot BE God. It is no more possible for God to be contained in a human body than it is for the entire Pacific ocean to contained in an eyedropper.

Even the specially selected and bred vessels for the Holy SPirit that are represented by Those Manifestations of God like Christ cannot contain the Essence of God.

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The vertical line is the Spi9rit of God, it connects the first horizontal line which is God, to the second horizontal line which is the Kingdom of Those Manifestations of God, to the third horizontal line which is the Kingdom of Man. The only thing which connects those levels of existence is the Spirit of God.​

In this formal representation the two stars represent the Temple of Man in the persons of the Bab and Baha`u'llah.​

What it means

The three levels of the design represent:​

the world of God, the Creator,​

the world of His Manifestations,​

and the world of man.​

The virtical line joins the three horizantal bars together in the same way that the Divine Messengers of God form the link between the world of God and the world of man.​

The twin five-pointed stars on either side of the design represent the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh, the twin Messengers of God for this age.

The ringstone symbol was designed by `Abdu'l-Bahá 1 and rendered by Mishkín-Qalam, a close companion of His and the leading calligrapher of Persia. 2

The Ringstone symbol used on this design is a reproduction of the original design by Mishkín-Qalam. ​

Baha'i Symbols​

Regards,

Scott​

 

[uss_bigd]

I think the historical Jesus revealed in the Bible claimed to be much more than the greatest prophet. I believe Jesus clearly claimed to be God in the flesh, co-equal with God the Father.

ooops... the bible did not say co-equal. Jesus said "The Father is greater than I"

 

[Fish-Hunter]

ooops... the bible did not say co-equal. Jesus said "The Father is greater than I"

1 Corinthians 11:3:
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

I believe historical biblical Christianity teaches that within the Trinity...the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are co-equal. Do you agree or disagree?

John 14:9:
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 10:38:
But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

 

[uss_bigd]

I believe historical biblical Christianity teaches that within the Trinity...the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are co-equal. Do you agree or disagree?

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The trinity is not Biblical, therefore i disagree. see thread "is the trinity biblical"