SLPCCC
Active Member
If you research "Evidence of Jesus' death and resurrection" you might reconsider. I don't want to go off-topic in this thread, so I'll just encourage you to do more in-depth research on Jesus' death, resurrection and existence.
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Why So Much Trinity Bashing?
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If you research "Evidence of Jesus' death and resurrection" you might reconsider. I don't want to go off-topic in this thread, so I'll just encourage you to do more in-depth research on Jesus' death, resurrection and existence.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
No, I don't. It is an irrational idea. One of the most basic rules of logic is that something cannot be X and Not X at the same time. Thus, there is no such thing as something being 1 an 3 at the same time. You can have 1 thing that has three parts. You can have 1 thing that has three modes. But you cannot simultaneously have something that is 1 thing and 3 things.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Jesus' death, resurrection and existence has nothing to do with the return of Jesus to this earth. That is what we were discussing.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Of course the person of Jesus is alive, now in heaven with the Father. I agree with your statement above, Kenny. Thank you for your response.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Based on the fact that some people believe the Bible is based on myths, it's almost like anything goes when it comes to a definition of who God is.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I believe you are correct.
Brian2
Veteran Member
The 7th Day Adventists are Trinitarian these days.
Brian2
Veteran Member
The Apostolic Fathers, those in the orthodox Christians who knew apostles should be more relevant, and they have called Jesus their God.
My mistake.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
Please read again what I wrote:
"Jewish names for human beings often declare or reflecting a particular attribute of God, e.g. Eliakim. No polytheism."
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
Trinitarianism in the Church Fathers - Wikipedia
Why do you guys all hate Constnatine? Wtf is the problem?
He wasn't even theologically literate; he had no hand in this. He just organised a council to ask Christianity to get its act together and agree on basics.
I guess those who are irritated are heterodox, somehow, and think Constantine changed their orthodoxy intro heterodoxy, but there's literally zero evidence of any such conspiracy.
I'm tired of this CONSTANTINEEEEE crap. It's Protestant polemic and I don't even know what against.
What exactly changed after Constantine?
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I’m sorry… my fault… I meant people:
Rev 6:
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
These people have died and are still awaiting their spiritual bodies since Jesus hasn’t come back yet with all the saints.
2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Other versus declare that people are alive after their bodies died
SLPCCC
Active Member
Yes, it does. Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic, a legend, or indeed the Son of God who promised to return.
I believe Jesus claimed to be God in all four Gospels. I believe the four Gospels are first-century biographies of Jesus. If Jesus did exist, died on the cross, and was resurrected, there can be no other God but the God of the bible.
Could you offer the names of three?
Thanks.
My request was in response to the following (with emphasis added) ...
Can you think of anything other than Church tradition that established which apostle or apostles each knew?
Just a wild guess (and I mean that; no irony whatsoever), but one thing that may well have changed due to Constantine is the perception of heresies and of religious diversity.
There is no a priori self-evident reason why a community would need a clear orthodoxy - or, indeed, any orthodoxy. We tend to expect it, but that too is largely inherited tradition.
There are downsides to that situation, and it is legitimate to ask whether it was worth the price.
Asking for orthodox before a sure notion of orthodoxy existed is not really a good question. These guys are quoted by Catholics, Orthodox and Anglicans as authorities so I think that's good enough.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Longstanding Trinity opposer here. Here's the thing, It's all God so in this light Jesus is God. Jesus was also one of us, so he was also human. The holy spirit is part of the Godhead, so Father, son, and Holy spirit are the three in one trinitarian view. I think I was trying to look at it as if any of the three can truly be separate. It's all God - these three aspects of God make up the Godhead. The question then becomes what is the Godhead and why only these three? I'm not sure, but I'm certain truth (holy spirit) son (children) and Father (creators/parental) is the basis for a right understanding.