Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

[Ebionite]

Who did Cain marry?

One of the women of the descendants of the people of Genesis 1:26-27.

 

[Ebionite]

Jesus, his Father, the Apostles, an Angel, John the baptist, many friends, and enemies all testify in agreement, Jesus claimed to be and is The Son of God.

Whatever we believe shouldn't we let the majority of testimony and teaching that agree guide our thinking? if we read over 100 bibles in any language they will all agree and teach Jesus is God's Son.

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before YHWH, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:6

The title of righteous servant is useful for identifying the adversary.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Image is image. Remember Jesus did say the Father is greater than he is. Yet he is the image of God. And he also said he and the Father are one. Remember, Eve was taken from Adam's rib.
John 14:28 "You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

YoursTrue,

I already explained God (the Father) is greater than the fleshly body he made himself to dwell in and sacrifice for sin. But that body had weaknesses like we do. He had to live a perfect life in order to be that perfect sacrifice. So the flesh had to lean on the Spirit for strength to overcome (that was why prayer was made).

Think about it a little more. YOU are NOT the image of God. I am NOT the image of God. We were made like the image of God. But the Messiah IS the image of the invisible God. Colossians 1:15

 

[metis]

One of the women of the descendants of the people of Genesis 1:26-27.

It does not state nor imply that. It was Adam & Eve and then also Cain & Abel--no one else is mentioned as it says: Gen 1[27] "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." The "them" only refers to those four.

 

[Ebionite]

It does not state nor imply that.

It's implied by the unchanging nature of YHWH and his law against incest.

 

[YoursTrue]

YoursTrue,

I already explained God (the Father) is greater than the fleshly body he made himself to dwell in and sacrifice for sin. But that body had weaknesses like we do. He had to live a perfect life in order to be that perfect sacrifice. So the flesh had to lean on the Spirit for strength to overcome (that was why prayer was made).

Think about it a little more. YOU are NOT the image of God. I am NOT the image of God. We were made like the image of God. But the Messiah IS the image of the invisible God. Colossians 1:15

I'm not going into the type of discussion (sorry about that) that
"God (the Father) is greater than the fleshly body he made himself to dwell in and sacrifice for sin." Because that's just about as inconceivable as Spinoza's and Einstein's god -- i.e., that god is nature and in everything type idea. Which reminds me that Jesus reminded some that the Bible declares men as gods also. You remember that?

Jesus said the Father is greater than he is. John 14:22. In part, that's enough for me to show that basically the Father GAVE Jesus all power and authority and then what? The Son will turn over everything to the Father once everything is in subjection to the Son. This shows me that the two were not equal in the idea of a trinity god. For me, the case is closed and I wish you well.

 

[YoursTrue]

Or maybe even 2 other persons.

Nevertheless (and I don't believe God was speaking to two other persons) God did say, "Let US make man in our image." So obviously more than one. And He created a man (one person) and a woman (another person). Yet the woman came from the man's own body. She was noit first but was within the man, meaning God took whatever necessary from Adam's rib and made a woman. Nothing about a third.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's implied by the unchanging nature of YHWH and his law against incest.

Adam and Eve had sons and daughters. The law of incest was not invoked until later. Plus -- people were closer to genetic perfection way back when.

 

[Brian2]

Nevertheless (and I don't believe God was speaking to two other persons) God did say, "Let US make man in our image." So obviously more than one. And He created a man (one person) and a woman (another person). Yet the woman came from the man's own body. She was noit first but was within the man, meaning God took whatever necessary from Adam's rib and made a woman. Nothing about a third.

God formed man from the earth. Was that the Son who did that, since all things were created through the Son?
Was it the Son who breathed life into the formed body of Adam?

 

[Ebionite]

Adam and Eve had sons and daughters. The law of incest was not invoked until later.

The point is that a just and unchanging deity would not command them to be fruitful and multiply when doing do would violate his own law.

 

[Trailblazer]

God formed man from the earth. Was that the Son who did that, since all things were created through the Son?
Was it the Son who breathed life into the formed body of Adam?

No, I don't think the Son did that. All things were created by God.

 

[YoursTrue]

The point is that a just and unchanging deity would not command them to be fruitful and multiply when doing do would violate his own law.

He did not violate his own law.

 

[YoursTrue]

God formed man from the earth. Was that the Son who did that, since all things were created through the Son?
Was it the Son who breathed life into the formed body of Adam?

Look, whatever you believe, God's holy spirit is just that. His holy spirit. I'm not going any further with that now.

 

[Ebionite]

He did not violate his own law.

Which implies that Cain did not commit incest.

 

[YoursTrue]

Which implies that Cain did not commit incest.

I think you're either deliberately twisting or misunderstanding. Anyway, the Ten Commandments were not given during Adam and Eve's lifetimes. Neither was the law about marrying one's close relative.

 

[YoursTrue]

God formed man from the earth. Was that the Son who did that, since all things were created through the Son?
Was it the Son who breathed life into the formed body of Adam?

Maybe you can talk to @Ebionite about incest and how the human population continued after Adam and Eve, ok?

 

[Ebionite]

I think you're either deliberately twisting or misunderstanding.

I don't care. The point is that the communication of the law is irrelevant because it was YHWH who caused the situation to exist regarding any potential for incest, not Cain.

 

[Messianic Israelite]

Can you provide any evidence?

Good evening PearlSeeker.

The average student of the Bible has undoubtedly never studied deeply enough to know that ancient pagan mythologies are replete with trinities. In ancient Egyptian worship there were three trinitarian deity groups. The most prominent triad was Osiris, Isis and Horus. (Some authorities say that is was Isis, Horus and Seb.) Generally these took the form of a father, mother and child (son) combination in the traditional, mythological mighty ones family.

The plethora of mythological family triads in pagan religions can ultimately be traced to an origin in Babylon, Genesis 10:8-12 and I should add gives added weight to the call in Revelation 18:1-5 to come out of Babylon. Nimrod, his wife-mother Semiramis and their son Tammuz-this corrupt worship marked the beginning of false messiah worship abounding today in churchianity. The true Messiah of Israel is very unlike the one which churchianity teaches and worships.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't care. The point is that the communication of the law is irrelevant because it was YHWH who caused the situation to exist regarding any potential for incest,Yo not Cain.

You should care. What you're saying does not make sense. There was one command incurring a penalty for Adam & Eve if they did not obey.

 

[Ebionite]

You should care. What you're saying does not make sense.

It's not unusual for those invested in religion to be unable to comprehend information which is not consistent with their beliefs.