Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

[YoursTrue]

It's not unusual for those invested in religion to be unable to comprehend information which is not consistent with their beliefs.

Sorry, but your view is not consistent with what the Bible says.
Adam was given a command prohibiting him from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad (Genesis 2:17)
"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
So Adam did what God told him not to do. And there was a penalty attached to his action, which he was warned about. God did give him the freedom to do so, however. And so the penalty was imposed.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's not unusual for those invested in religion to be unable to comprehend information which is not consistent with their beliefs.

It's not consistent with the Bible. Not necessarily just my belief. Try to understand what the Bible says or doesn't say. The only command given to Adam & Eve was to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. You may wonder why that is, and that can be discussed, based on your attitude, but again -- that was the only command with a penalty attached if they disobeyed at that time.

 

[Ebionite]

Sorry, but your view is not consistent with what the Bible says.

No, it's consistent. Adam was punished for his disobedience regarding the tree, but Cain was not punished for taking a wife. In both cases justice was applied, and this is consistent with the way that just judgment is described as a positive behaviour in the Bible.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, it's consistent. Adam was punished for his disobedience regarding the tree, but Cain was not punished for taking a wife. In both cases justice was applied, and this is consistent with the way that just judgment is described as a positive behaviour in the Bible.

It was not considered incest when Cain took a sister for his wife. That type of close bonding was not to always be, and someone committing incest or other crimes considered by God, under the Law given to the Israelites, which was given much later, was to be put to death.
Leviticus 20:11,12: "If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness. Both must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both must surely be put to death. They have acted perversely; their blood is upon them."

 

[YoursTrue]

No, it's consistent. Adam was punished for his disobedience regarding the tree, but Cain was not punished for taking a wife. In both cases justice was applied, and this is consistent with the way that just judgment is described as a positive behaviour in the Bible.

Cain was not punished, as you say, for taking a wife from among his sisters. But he was punished for killing Abel.

 

[YoursTrue]

God formed man from the earth. Was that the Son who did that, since all things were created through the Son?
Was it the Son who breathed life into the formed body of Adam?

God's holy spirit is the power, or active force that comes from God. It becomes a rather detailed and complex discussion about spirit and God's holy spirit as revealed in the Bible.

 

[Ebionite]

Cain was not punished, as you say, for taking a wife from among his sisters. But he was punished for killing Abel.

I said nothing about his sisters. What's your point?

 

[Ebionite]

It was not considered incest when Cain took a sister for his wife.

Cain didn't take a sister for a wife.

The story of Tammuz was about incest.

He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
Then he brought me to the door of the gate of YHWH's house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Ezekiel 8:13-14

For I [am] YHWH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Malachi 3:6

 

[PearlSeeker]

Good evening PearlSeeker.

The average student of the Bible has undoubtedly never studied deeply enough to know that ancient pagan mythologies are replete with trinities. In ancient Egyptian worship there were three trinitarian deity groups. The most prominent triad was Osiris, Isis and Horus. (Some authorities say that is was Isis, Horus and Seb.) Generally these took the form of a father, mother and child (son) combination in the traditional, mythological mighty ones family.

The plethora of mythological family triads in pagan religions can ultimately be traced to an origin in Babylon, Genesis 10:8-12 and I should add gives added weight to the call in Revelation 18:1-5 to come out of Babylon. Nimrod, his wife-mother Semiramis and their son Tammuz-this corrupt worship marked the beginning of false messiah worship abounding today in churchianity. The true Messiah of Israel is very unlike the one which churchianity teaches and worships.

The fact that there are triads in different religions on itself isn't evidence that they are in any connection to each other.

So the question remains: Is there any evidence that Christian doctrine comes from the pagan practice of worshiping triads?

 

[Brian2]

No, I don't think the Son did that. All things were created by God.

All things were created through the Son.

 

[Messianic Israelite]

The fact that there are triads in different religions on itself isn't evidence that they are in any connection to each other.

So the question remains: Is there any evidence that Christian doctrine comes from the pagan practice of worshiping triads?

Good morning PearlSeeker.

I would venture to disagree. If the Trinity doctrine is unbiblical, which it is, then it must have roots in something else. It must have come from somewhere. Triads were worshipped thousands of years before the Messiah's arrival. This was no doubt assimilated in to the Chr-stian religion.

 

[Brian2]

Look, whatever you believe, God's holy spirit is just that. His holy spirit. I'm not going any further with that now.

God's Holy Spirit is living water, He is alive. (John 4:10, John 7:37-39)
The Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) abides with Jesus disciples, it is alive.

 

[Brian2]

God's holy spirit is the power, or active force that comes from God. It becomes a rather detailed and complex discussion about spirit and God's holy spirit as revealed in the Bible.

It can be complex depending on how we see it. The Spirit is alive and knows the mind of God.
1Cor 2:10 But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.…

 

[metis]

It's implied by the unchanging nature of YHWH and his law against incest.

Which has 0 to do with what I posted.

 

[Dimi95]

It does not state nor imply that. It was Adam & Eve and then also Cain & Abel--no one else is mentioned as it says: Gen 1[27] "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." The "them" only refers to those four.

I have a question,where is then Seth?

Genesis 4
"Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth,saying, 'God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him'."

 

[SLPCCC]

God's holy spirit is the power, or active force that comes from God. It becomes a rather detailed and complex discussion about spirit and God's holy spirit as revealed in the Bible.

Obviously, this teaching, your belief, does not come from scriptures.


· The Holy Spirit can be lied to - Acts 5: 1-4 , "why hath Satan filled thy heart to lie to the Holy Spirit

· The Holy Spirit grieves like a person - Isaiah 63:10, "But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit. Therefore, He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them."

· The Holy Spirit loves like a person - Rom. 15:30, "Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me."

· The Holy Spirit has a mind - Rom. 8:27, "and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."

· The Holy Spirit speaks - Acts 8:29, "And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join this chariot."

· The Holy Spirit helps/comforts - But when the Comforter comes, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall bear witness of me:

 

[PearlSeeker]

Triads were worshipped thousands of years before the Messiah's arrival. This was no doubt assimilated in to the Chr-stian religion.

I doubt that but if I see any evidence I'll change my mind. Until then the most reasonable explanation for me is that Christians came up with it by themselves.

The problem is that your line of reasoning is faulty - Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

 

[Ebionite]

Which has 0 to do with what I posted.

It refutes your denial that the unchanging nature of YHWH implies that he would not establish a situation in which obedience would result in the violation of his own law, specifically "be fruitful and multiply" and the prohibition against incest.

Genesis is a chronological account, chapter one and chapter two are not a retelling of the same story.

 

[Muffled]

And that is really belief in 3 Gods, while claiming it to only be belief in One God.

I believe it is still one God despite your lack of understanding.

 

[Muffled]

That is not what the Trinity teaches. It teaches 3 separate and distinct persons that are each God. (And yet somehow claims that is only belief in one God.)

I believe you have that correctly. Your problem is that you do not understand the persons. I suspect you think the three persons are three entities and they are not.