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Why "Social" Media Is Usually Not a Venue for Useful Discourse

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I made the mistake earlier today of clicking a Twitter link that someone sent me. I was quickly reminded of why I avoided that place and other "social" media when it came to politics and other complex subjects:

- Oversimplified posts aimed at generating responses and getting likes rather than having much substance or depth. After all, how would someone cover a complex issue while bound by a 200-character limit?

- Tribalistic, inaccurate, and/or toxic comments from people of all kinds of political and religious persuasions. This includes social media "celebrities" like Jordan Peterson, Richard Dawkins, Linda Sarsour, and Sam Harris. Worse yet, when people who have a lot of followers like those four make inaccurate or inflammatory comments, they often end up causing a quagmire of hostility, misunderstanding, and fruitless bickering--or sometimes even encouraging hatred or demonization of others (whether intentionally or not).

- Poor takes devoid of nuance that instead rely on "sick burns" and "gotchas" to appear clever or substantial. This not only comes at the cost of worthwhile discourse but also fosters a toxic climate where people address each other as if they were mere words on a screen without any feelings or multifaceted lives.

- Insufficient space to address inaccuracies or faulty/problematic claims, consequently leading to verbal retaliation in lieu of any useful or productive response. Rinse and repeat.

I could go on and on, but suffice to say, I despise "social" media for almost anything but entertainment, chatting, and lighthearted topics. They're not a consistent or reliable source of information, not a suitable venue for nuanced and lengthy discussions, and certainly not a good outlet for airing brief takes about important and hot-button issues.

I don't regret my decision to minimize my exposure to such content in those places. There's enough toxicity elsewhere; we don't need spaces dedicated to generating more of it for recreation and profit.
 

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Question Everything
There are pros to it too though, I think there is an honesty within anonymity which can be lacking in face-2-face conversations. Brutal honesty, but authenticity. There is also the ability to talk with those of all walks of life, nationalities, backgrounds easily.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
There are pros to it too though, I think there is an honesty within anonymity which can be lacking in face-2-face conversations. Brutal honesty, but authenticity. There is also the ability to talk with those of all walks of life, nationalities, backgrounds easily.

I think the last point falls within the category of chatting, which I do appreciate. I don't think one needs to engage in political arguments or hostile comments to have this specific benefit, though.
 

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Question Everything
I think the last point falls within the category of chatting, which I do appreciate. I don't think one needs to engage in political arguments or hostile comments to have this specific benefit, though.

An interesting guest speaker - we had from google, said they gave search platform the goal of keeping people glued to their screens for the longest amount of time possible to increase add revenue. A machine learning platform, and the program found it could increase screen time by showing everyone political/diet/belief views that were just a little more extreme than what they currently held. If you were vegetarian, it would show you slightly more intense diet etc. The drawback of this, it divided society - pulled everyone to their extreme views.

I do custom tailor my online profile - make sure to click on things that I am interested in, have filled in surveys for adds etc., have a feed full of uplifting / nature / music - non-political content. My spouse on the other hand... haha, he gets all this crazy conspiracy stuff, horrible. It is important to decide what to feed your mind.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
RF is a social medium that strikes me as useful.

When thinking of "social media," I was talking about Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc. It seems to me that RF is fundamentally different from those in its nature.

I agree that RF is a useful medium, of course.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
There are pros to it too though, I think there is an honesty within anonymity which can be lacking in face-2-face conversations. Brutal honesty, but authenticity. There is also the ability to talk with those of all walks of life, nationalities, backgrounds easily.
What honesty is there in playing to a crowd? Social media comments are performances for an audience, and I would say a lot are just as honest and authentic as that.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
I never discuss politics or religion on Facebook, because it's a recipe for disaster. I learned a difficult lesson about discussing my personal political views on Facebook a few years ago, and after this horrific experience, I decided to never post anything political or religious on Facebook again. In fact, I don't allow political or religious posts to be posted on my profile, and I set the option where only I can post on my profile. I also review any posts that I'm tagged it, so I can decide whether to share the post on my profile or not. I stopped discussing my political views because of the hateful replies I received after I posted an article in support of a Native American man who hung an American flag upside down in a peaceful protest to the awful treatment that his people have suffered in America. I don't want to talk about the specifics of this incident, but I will say that it was a very hurtful experience.

I left Facebook shortly after this happened to me, and I didn't return for a couple of years. Now I'm only on Facebook for Beatles' stuff, and I only add people I know. As a matter of fact, I haven't posted anything on my profile in months. I deleted my accounts on Twitter, Instagram and Pinterest because I hardly ever post on these sites. I didn't see any point of keeping the apps on my iPhone. Other than the Beatles' fan groups I participate in on Facebook, RF is the only social media platform that I'm actively involved in.
 
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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I made the mistake earlier today of clicking a Twitter link that someone sent me. I was quickly reminded of why I avoided that place and other "social" media when it came to politics and other complex subjects:

- Oversimplified posts aimed at generating responses and getting likes rather than having much substance or depth. After all, how would someone cover a complex issue while bound by a 200-character limit?

- Tribalistic, inaccurate, and/or toxic comments from people of all kinds of political and religious persuasions. This includes social media "celebrities" like Jordan Peterson, Richard Dawkins, Linda Sarsour, and Sam Harris. Worse yet, when people who have a lot of followers like those four make inaccurate or inflammatory comments, they often end up causing a quagmire of hostility, misunderstanding, and fruitless bickering--or sometimes even encouraging hatred or demonization of others (whether intentionally or not).

- Poor takes devoid of nuance that instead rely on "sick burns" and "gotchas" to appear clever or substantial. This not only comes at the cost of worthwhile discourse but also fosters a toxic climate where people address each other as if they were mere words on a screen without any feelings or multifaceted lives.

- Insufficient space to address inaccuracies or faulty/problematic claims, consequently leading to verbal retaliation in lieu of any useful or productive response. Rinse and repeat.

I could go on and on, but suffice to say, I despise "social" media for almost anything but entertainment, chatting, and lighthearted topics. They're not a consistent or reliable source of information, not a suitable venue for nuanced and lengthy discussions, and certainly not a good outlet for airing brief takes about important and hot-button issues.

I don't regret my decision to minimize my exposure to such content in those places. There's enough toxicity elsewhere; we don't need spaces dedicated to generating more of it for recreation and profit.

I agree. I think a lot of social media is pretty much a wasteland. I think what we're seeing is pretty much a poor reflection on humanity. Maybe we were always this horrible, but now, we're just seeing it more because we can see a much wider range of opinions and a cacophony of voices which most people didn't really see or hear in the pre-internet days.

Back when the internet started becoming a thing, a lot of people had high hopes that it would bring the world together. But maybe humans just aren't ready for that yet.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I made the mistake earlier today of clicking a Twitter link that someone sent me. I was quickly reminded of why I avoided that place and other "social" media when it came to politics and other complex subjects:

- Oversimplified posts aimed at generating responses and getting likes rather than having much substance or depth. After all, how would someone cover a complex issue while bound by a 200-character limit?

- Tribalistic, inaccurate, and/or toxic comments from people of all kinds of political and religious persuasions. This includes social media "celebrities" like Jordan Peterson, Richard Dawkins, Linda Sarsour, and Sam Harris. Worse yet, when people who have a lot of followers like those four make inaccurate or inflammatory comments, they often end up causing a quagmire of hostility, misunderstanding, and fruitless bickering--or sometimes even encouraging hatred or demonization of others (whether intentionally or not).

- Poor takes devoid of nuance that instead rely on "sick burns" and "gotchas" to appear clever or substantial. This not only comes at the cost of worthwhile discourse but also fosters a toxic climate where people address each other as if they were mere words on a screen without any feelings or multifaceted lives.

- Insufficient space to address inaccuracies or faulty/problematic claims, consequently leading to verbal retaliation in lieu of any useful or productive response. Rinse and repeat.

I could go on and on, but suffice to say, I despise "social" media for almost anything but entertainment, chatting, and lighthearted topics. They're not a consistent or reliable source of information, not a suitable venue for nuanced and lengthy discussions, and certainly not a good outlet for airing brief takes about important and hot-button issues.

I don't regret my decision to minimize my exposure to such content in those places. There's enough toxicity elsewhere; we don't need spaces dedicated to generating more of it for recreation and profit.
Ahh Twitter
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amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
The internet, for whatever its flaws, is apparently a place where you can sort of incidentally learn to write and think, and I suppose, refract that back to yourself, to strengthen your introspection. For whatever that itself is worth, and it may not be much in some cases, that might be what it can do. More simply put, when I write on here, and elsewhere, it seems to be becoming clear that I do it for myself. That this is an exercise area, perhaps more that a communication hub

Even on facebook, there is something I learned to do eventually. Since I've hardly met that many people in real-life that are that interested in what I think, regarding politics or philosophy or religion, I usually go there to journal such thoughts to myself. I select 'only me' for the posts I make much of the time, and write to myself what I am thinking
 
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