Why stay here if heaven is the next step?

[leafer]

Hello everyone,

Just found the forum and absolutely love it. A lot of knowledge here and I'm very impressed. Thx

Okay back to my question . Why should I do everything possible to extend my life here if heaven is the next destination after this?

I understand there is supposedly something each and everyone of us needs to do here before we go but I've asked for many years from God, Jesus, anybody for that matter for the answer but I come up flat. I'm born Roman Catholic and there's so many questions that are unanswered IMO in the bible. I do all the little things, be nice to people, etc but I'm still stumped as why I'm not just someone here like the rest of us taking up space on earth till I die.

I've been convinced for quite sometime that where we are now is hell and that is something that hasn't been told to us for some reason. Supposedly if there is a life after this then they shouldn't:

1) suffer through death
2) see world chaos
3) see innocent people suffer daily
4) live among murders, molesters, and overall pure evil

The list could go on but you get my point

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

 

[wizanda]

It never is just the motions, that is our whole point...it is those who excel...it is those that deserve heaven due to talents and works....never can there be free to enter, as if you don't understand in your heart what it means to live oneness at every point and turn, then that would also make heaven hell.
Heaven is beyond the fabric of these lower dimensions, so when we say heaven is within you, so is oneness if we look, and then to realize that everyone has this and can achieve this...no angel that i know of can ever stop working, as we also work in heaven unlike peoples here, who just want to retire and go to sleep.

 

[leafer]

It never is just the motions, that is our whole point...it is those who excel...it is those that deserve heaven due to talents and works....never can there be free to enter, as if you don't understand in your heart what it means to live oneness at every point and turn, then that would also make heaven hell.
Heaven is beyond the fabric of these lower dimensions, so when we say heaven is within you, so is oneness if we look, and then to realize that everyone has this and can achieve this...no angel that i know of can ever stop working, as we also work in heaven unlike peoples here, who just want to retire and go to sleep.

Hey thanks for the quick response.

Lets say I don't accomplish as much as others do then will God not understand that at least I tried?

If I don't go to heaven then where will I end up? Hell?

This is the part I am having the most trouble with because the bible explains heaven or hell and as far I as I know there is no in between. If I'm not good enough to go to heaven BUT I have tried to follow the 10 commandments is that not enough?

Everyone at one point in our lives have broken the some commandments BUT I am not someone who purposely goes out and tries to do it. When I look at my life, day in and day out, I play by the God's rules and I think I am doing pretty good in my efforts.

Any insights on this?

 

[Ozzie]

Hey thanks for the quick response.

Lets say I don't accomplish as much as others do then will God not understand that at least I tried?

If I don't go to heaven then where will I end up? Hell?

This is the part I am having the most trouble with because the bible explains heaven or hell and as far I as I know there is no in between. If I'm not good enough to go to heaven BUT I have tried to follow the 10 commandments is that not enough?

Everyone at one point in our lives have broken the some commandments BUT I am not someone who purposely goes out and tries to do it. When I look at my life, day in and day out, I play by the God's rules and I think I am doing pretty good in my efforts.

Any insights on this?

Maybe if you've followed the commandments as you say and haven't noted some improvement in your life, then perhaps its your expectation that is flawed. The commandments seem like pretty good advice to me. But the result you can expect from following them is entirely contingent. It could be otherwise. Maybe you should associate more closely with others who claim to follow the commandments.

 

[wizanda]

Here is the Bottom step as Christ related, so making friends of unrighteous mammon to receive ever lasting dwelling is reincarnation, though they stopped teaching it in 533 AD.

If you knew how many previous life, I have been through, then it might be more clear, you can be many things to understand what is required to continue through the Dimensions = Diadems at end of Bible or the Commandments + 2 Yeshua added are heaven.
Heaven you see is first unconditional love and then wisdom where us elders sit….so in what Yeshua was saying, that of the door keeper, if you can’t love that much then keep trying….for me personally the harder something is the more I try, the more it fights me the stronger I stand, especially if it is you being a good person in the process of all you do.
Yet never fear as Yeshua related, with his parable of the talents being buried, if God didn’t give people so much, he doesn’t expect you to be the most talented and the most helpful, just to be sure your effort is 100% never less.
As in when you do die you will see the ramification of every action flash before your eyes, this is for many very hard to take, as they never figured out they need 100% effort for all conversations, relations and everything they do.
Else you are your own judge in the basement or sheol/shadows it is like the lowest dimension in the reality which is the 1st of 10 dimensions….11th + is heaven.
The lowest is EGO and is the very quantum fabric around us, so when you are touching that old table; that was also once life, now it is just asleep.
Yet within that is countless life’s and emotions of the feelings it has been before it.
So when EGO is hell and heaven is oneness, that is the simplest any prophet has ever made it.
Yet then relate that to our own bodies, every single part of you can be positively charged to oneness or ego on a quantum level….EGO is what many call the devil….or Satan = Accuser….yet in reality of what is in the basement there is no super power against God, it is merely peoples with blame and remorse of not putting in the effort, yet that doesn’t mean they stay there.
God is really and mean really merciful, as God sees the beginning to end of every single being.
So lets say, you don’t make it on not having any desires by the time you die and so get almost up to heaven, yet not in; as the desire would cause turmoil of energies across heaven.
So there and in that case God would replant you, that is what all the talk of seed planting is meaning, as God can plant you in anywhere God chooses, you could even be just a part of a wing of an eagle next, and to not push a blood cell to much as to cause damage around you….

Hope you see why to relate all of this and I know most Christians believe reincarnation a fraud (Paul = Pharisee = “man is to live once and then be judged&#8221, yet when Yeshua said that John the Baptist was Elijah and his disciples quoted him as one of the prophets, then at that time they all believed in reincarnation.
There is also logical facts in our own society today where people are reborn and visit their older family as a child, as the love was so strong it still remains in their next life.

Anyways hopefully that makes it a bit clearer sorry not so many scripture etc is more of first hand experience, yet on saying that can provide needed scripture etc if necessary.

 

[Ozzie]

It never is just the motions, that is our whole point...it is those who excel...it is those that deserve heaven due to talents and works....never can there be free to enter, as if you don't understand in your heart what it means to live oneness at every point and turn, then that would also make heaven hell.
Heaven is beyond the fabric of these lower dimensions, so when we say heaven is within you, so is oneness if we look, and then to realize that everyone has this and can achieve this...no angel that i know of can ever stop working, as we also work in heaven unlike peoples here, who just want to retire and go to sleep.

How can heaven be the province of those with "talent and works" to "excel" and be something that "everyone has" and "achieve". Elitist rubbish.:foot:

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

I've never heard one should necessarily extend one's life here indefinitely....

Howver, there is such a thing as "preparation," and iMHO a lot of us could use a lot more of it before proceeding on to the Next Life!

Regards,

Bruce

 

[michel]

Hello everyone,

Just found the forum and absolutely love it. A lot of knowledge here and I'm very impressed. Thx

Okay back to my question . Why should I do everything possible to extend my life here if heaven is the next destination after this?

I understand there is supposedly something each and everyone of us needs to do here before we go but I've asked for many years from God, Jesus, anybody for that matter for the answer but I come up flat. I'm born Roman Catholic and there's so many questions that are unanswered IMO in the bible. I do all the little things, be nice to people, etc but I'm still stumped as why I'm not just someone here like the rest of us taking up space on earth till I die.

I've been convinced for quite sometime that where we are now is hell and that is something that hasn't been told to us for some reason. Supposedly if there is a life after this then they shouldn't:

1) suffer through death
2) see world chaos
3) see innocent people suffer daily
4) live among murders, molesters, and overall pure evil

The list could go on but you get my point

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

I can relate to the bit I have highlighted in red........

I do get your point, and I think you are probably quite right (in certain aspects). Why are we here ? - I think as you do, to learn.

I look forward to the hereafter, where I believe I will be reunited with those whom I love - except that I believe in reincarnation, so I just don't know when that will be...

All I know is that I have tried to interfere with my "leaving here" a few times, but (presumably) wasn't allowed to change what I was supposed to do......so, now, I wait, patiently, looking forward to my "after-death".

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I've been convinced for quite sometime that where we are now is hell and that is something that hasn't been told to us for some reason. Supposedly if there is a life after this then they shouldn't:

1) suffer through death
2) see world chaos
3) see innocent people suffer daily
4) live among murders, molesters, and overall pure evil

I've wondered this myself. But really, this life isn't all evil. There is still some good being done in the world. I went through a troubled period in my life where it was hell, and I felt there was no good, but there were always little things that kept me from completely casting it aside as damnation.

But really, as far as we can say for sure, this life may be all we have. Even believing in an afterlife, this may be the only chance you have to exist in this stage (unless total recurrence is a reality ). May as well make the best of it!

 

[sojourner]

Hello everyone,

Just found the forum and absolutely love it. A lot of knowledge here and I'm very impressed. Thx

Okay back to my question . Why should I do everything possible to extend my life here if heaven is the next destination after this?

I understand there is supposedly something each and everyone of us needs to do here before we go but I've asked for many years from God, Jesus, anybody for that matter for the answer but I come up flat. I'm born Roman Catholic and there's so many questions that are unanswered IMO in the bible. I do all the little things, be nice to people, etc but I'm still stumped as why I'm not just someone here like the rest of us taking up space on earth till I die.

I've been convinced for quite sometime that where we are now is hell and that is something that hasn't been told to us for some reason. Supposedly if there is a life after this then they shouldn't:

1) suffer through death
2) see world chaos
3) see innocent people suffer daily
4) live among murders, molesters, and overall pure evil

The list could go on but you get my point

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

Read Genesis 1 and 2 again. This earth is not hell -- it's our home -- the home God gave us because God loves us. We are told that Christ came in order to give us abundant life, and that means in the here and now. One of the biggest misperceptions about Christianity is the notion of "in the sweet bye-and-bye." Of course eternity with God will be wonderful, but that's not where the Christian is called to be. We are called, rather, to be Christ's Body here on earth.

A question for you: Why do you see loving others -- "being nice to people," as you put it, as such a "little thing?" Love is what makes the world go round. Love is what we scrap and work to stay alive for. Love is not a little thing. Love is food for the soul and the greatest endeavor of humanity.

 

[Wandered Off]

If you believe Heaven is eternal, then you have forever to enjoy Heaven, but only a tiny opportunity to make the most of life on Earth. Value what is scarce! The limited quantity is exactly what gives our temporal life value and makes it precious. You will have plenty of time for Heaven.

 

[Runlikethewind]

This is the part I am having the most trouble with because the bible explains heaven or hell and as far I as I know there is no in between. If I'm not good enough to go to heaven BUT I have tried to follow the 10 commandments is that not enough?

Being born Roman Catholic I would think that you would be aware of the teaching of purgatory which is not so much an in-between, it is a part of heaven. Purgatory is a purging process for those who are bound for heaven but still need to be cleaned up and perfected first before they get there which is exactly the state that you describe and the state that most of us are in.

On a more general note I have been thinking lately about the problems that you have illustrated. I have begun to think that our time on earth here is kind of like a school of existence. God has given us a limited form of existence so that we might learn what it is to be, we must learn to be before we can fully be. Heaven is a fuller being, more existence. But we must learn to walk before we run and that involves falling down, sin, suffering, evil, etc. It is all part of the collective act of human becoming. I still have to think more about this whole idea but maybe that will give you a little something to chew on. And if anyone has thought along these lines or wants to run with this idea......:help::yes:

 

[Super Universe]

Hello everyone,

Just found the forum and absolutely love it. A lot of knowledge here and I'm very impressed. Thx

Okay back to my question . Why should I do everything possible to extend my life here if heaven is the next destination after this?

I understand there is supposedly something each and everyone of us needs to do here before we go but I've asked for many years from God, Jesus, anybody for that matter for the answer but I come up flat. I'm born Roman Catholic and there's so many questions that are unanswered IMO in the bible. I do all the little things, be nice to people, etc but I'm still stumped as why I'm not just someone here like the rest of us taking up space on earth till I die.

I've been convinced for quite sometime that where we are now is hell and that is something that hasn't been told to us for some reason. Supposedly if there is a life after this then they shouldn't:

1) suffer through death
2) see world chaos
3) see innocent people suffer daily
4) live among murders, molesters, and overall pure evil

The list could go on but you get my point

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

You're not really asking why we should suffer through death, world chaos, innocent's harmed, and live among murderers because we are doing what we can to reduce suffering in death, eliminate chaos, protect innocents, and jail murderers.

What you want to know is why does God allow these things to happen?

The answer is this: the same reason you do.

 

[Comprehend]

Hello everyone,

Just found the forum and absolutely love it. A lot of knowledge here and I'm very impressed. Thx

Okay back to my question . Why should I do everything possible to extend my life here if heaven is the next destination after this?

you shouldn't do everything possible, only do what is proper and moral. You shouldn't for example, take another's life to extend your own... The reason why you should take care of yourself while you are here is because you will be judged for how you care for yourself and others while you are here. Heaven is the next destination, but you must show you can do what is right here first.

I understand there is supposedly something each and everyone of us needs to do here before we go but I've asked for many years from God, Jesus, anybody for that matter for the answer but I come up flat.

The scriptures and prophets tell us what we must do. The holy Ghost confirms it to us.
First, have faith in Jesus Christ, Second, repent of your sins, third, be baptized and fourth, recieve the Holy Ghost.

This is the narrow gate Jesus speaks of that we all must enter through.

I'm born Roman Catholic and there's so many questions that are unanswered IMO in the bible. I do all the little things, be nice to people, etc but I'm still stumped as why I'm not just someone here like the rest of us taking up space on earth till I die.

There are many questions unanswered in the bible. They have been answered in the Book of Mormon and by the Prophets God has continued to send to the earth to guide us. Together, the Bible and the Book of Mormon along with the continued guidance from prophets help answer all important questions.

I've been convinced for quite sometime that where we are now is hell and that is something that hasn't been told to us for some reason. Supposedly if there is a life after this then they shouldn't:

1) suffer through death
2) see world chaos
3) see innocent people suffer daily
4) live among murders, molesters, and overall pure evil

The list could go on but you get my point

I am afraid I do not get your point, it wouldn't make much sense for us to be in hell right now if we can't remember what we did to get here. Also, what would be the point of having Jesus come visit us and die for us if we are stuck here in hell. We are given agency here on the earth and some choose to do evil things with their agency. Some choose to do good as well.

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

It might be difficult to reach the promise land if you are only going through the motions. You must prove yourself here.

 

[may]

Hello everyone,

Just found the forum and absolutely love it. A lot of knowledge here and I'm very impressed. Thx

Okay back to my question . Why should I do everything possible to extend my life here if heaven is the next destination after this?

I understand there is supposedly something each and everyone of us needs to do here before we go but I've asked for many years from God, Jesus, anybody for that matter for the answer but I come up flat. I'm born Roman Catholic and there's so many questions that are unanswered IMO in the bible. I do all the little things, be nice to people, etc but I'm still stumped as why I'm not just someone here like the rest of us taking up space on earth till I die.

I've been convinced for quite sometime that where we are now is hell and that is something that hasn't been told to us for some reason. Supposedly if there is a life after this then they shouldn't:

1) suffer through death
2) see world chaos
3) see innocent people suffer daily
4) live among murders, molesters, and overall pure evil

The list could go on but you get my point

Each day I just feel like I should just go through the motions until I reach the ultimate promise land because only there I will be truly happy and be among all the people I love. Am I wrong?

well the bible does inform us that the ruler of this world is the wicked one , and that one is satan the devil 1 john 5;19 But no worries shortly he is going to be cast out and put out of the way so that Gods heavenly kingdom goverment can rule without the influence of the wicked one satan the devil Daniel 2;44 we are now living in the time of the end , of cause the end does not mean the end of the planet , it means the end of manmade goverments that are under the influence of the one spoken of in 1 john 5;19. it will be very good when only Gods heavenly kingdom goverment is ruling because then the whole earth will be taught by Jehovah and there will be no more war, because those who are taught by Jehovah do not learn war anymore.......... nice
And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].MICAH 4;3-4

 

[logician]

"Why should I do everything possible to extend my life here if heaven is the next destination after this?
"

XIans will hem and haw about this but ultimately the questions is valid. Yet you find very few Xians who really look forward to death.

Go figure.

 

[Comprehend]

"Why should I do everything possible to extend my life here if heaven is the next destination after this?
"

XIans will hem and haw about this but ultimately the questions is valid. Yet you find very few Xians who really look forward to death.

Go figure.

I wouldn't lump all christians together. Some may do that but many do not. The validity of the question only goes to it's logical structure, I think you mean it is a relevant question.

I can't wait to be done with this life precisely because what is in the next. However, this life is a test, and where I go in the next life depends on what I do while I am here. Therefore, I can't just jump off a bridge and go to where I want to go. Just like I can't wait to be done with each exam I take in school, but I use every minute allowed to cram in everything I can to ensure I get the best score I can get. Sure, I could just crumple up the test and throw it away and be done now, but my score wouldn't exactly be good.

The question is only an interesting one if you don't think about it or if you are not aware of where we came from and what we are doing here.

 

[McBell]

What you want to know is why does God allow these things to happen?

The answer is this: the same reason you do.

I disagree.
I do what I can to stop it.
However, I am not all powerful and all knowing.

 

[Prometheus]

This is why I dislike the idea of an afterlife. It makes this life something to be endured rather than enjoyed. When you realize there is no afterlife, it makes this life so much more valuable. Knowing that this is all I'm ever going to get makes me feel lucky every day to be alive and makes me wish to live, as the cliche goes, to the fullest.

 

[Super Universe]

I disagree.
I do what I can to stop it.
However, I am not all powerful and all knowing.

All powerful is a relative term. God creates the universe in every second of every day but there are many things He cannot do. He cannot give complete free will and restrict it at the same time.

People want God to eliminate the bad things but they are the ones that give us the most incite, and, to the universe, our bad things aren't really bad things. Even if you could destroy the earth it would be like annihilating a single grain of sand on all the beach's of the world.