Why the Bible is not the word of God

[xexon]

I am adverse to all religion. All religions are of the earth, and to the earth they will bind you. The moment you write down words spoken by a living master, you have killed them and removed any ability to correct the path you travel. The bible is an outdated handbook. A book of the dead. So why do you seek the living among the dead? The word of God only has life when living people speak it. Not from memorization or religious training, but from their own heart. The wisdom of this book has been written upon their hearts, not their minds. Such people need no books. They give sight to the spiritually blind. They raise the spiritually dead. They have met and conquered Satan (the mind) in the spiritual desert. (The mind again) Only these kinds of people can speak the living word of God. Books can only tell of such people. They cannot replace them. Nor can they speak for them. And if you follow such books, there is nobody who can correct your course. A book can't. A living master can. x

 

[RevOxley_501]

soooooo




what are we debating...all i see is a bunch of statements

 

[xexon]

The neccessity of a living master as opposed to the Bible.


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[NoahideHiker]

I am adverse to all religion. All religions are of the earth, and to the earth they will bind you. The moment you write down words spoken by a living master, you have killed them and removed any ability to correct the path you travel. The bible is an outdated handbook. A book of the dead. So why do you seek the living among the dead? The word of God only has life when living people speak it. Not from memorization or religious training, but from their own heart. The wisdom of this book has been written upon their hearts, not their minds. Such people need no books. They give sight to the spiritually blind. They raise the spiritually dead. They have met and conquered Satan (the mind) in the spiritual desert. (The mind again) Only these kinds of people can speak the living word of God. Books can only tell of such people. They cannot replace them. Nor can they speak for them. And if you follow such books, there is nobody who can correct your course. A book can't. A living master can. x

Just as with all other faiths I have no problem with someone choosing not to believe something. It doesn't threaten me nor does it deminish my faith. Go in pease and be kind to everyone.

 

[sojourner]

I am adverse to all religion.

All religions are of the earth, and to the earth they will bind you. The moment you write down words spoken by a living master, you have killed them and removed any ability to correct the path you travel.

The bible is an outdated handbook. A book of the dead. So why do you seek the living among the dead? The word of God only has life when living people speak it. Not from memorization or religious training, but from their own heart. The wisdom of this book has been written upon their hearts, not their minds.

Such people need no books.

They give sight to the spiritually blind. They raise the spiritually dead. They have met and conquered Satan (the mind) in the spiritual desert. (The mind again) Only these kinds of people can speak the living word of God.

Books can only tell of such people. They cannot replace them. Nor can they speak for them. And if you follow such books, there is nobody who can correct your course.

A book can't.

A living master can.


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That is why Christ is the Word of God -- he is a living master, and it is he whom we serve. God reveals God's self to us through God's incarnation (Christ). Christ reveals himself to us in the living gospel, as it is preached in terms of our identity, behavior, actions, speech and written word. Therefore, the Bible isn't a book of the dead, but a book of the living, since it is part of the living God's revelation to us.

If you think the Bible is not truth, why do you use its words in support of your thesis? One cannot support truth with untruth. that would constitute a paradox of logic.

 

[FatMan]

Religious rant aside - I don't believe you've come close to showing how the Bible isn't the word of God.

 

[Comprehend]

The neccessity of a living master as opposed to the Bible.


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OK. but since your argument was all assertions the debate will go like this:

Yes it is.

no it isn't.

yes it is.

sound like fun?

 

[sojourner]

The neccessity of a living master as opposed to the Bible.


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See my response in your other post. Christ is the living master and the Word of God, and it is he whom we serve, not the Bible. The Bible is a living document, because through it, God reveals God's self to us. Through it, we have recorded our story of our relationship with God. Nothing about God is dead, so the Bible cannot be considered a book of the dead.

 

[Radio Frequency X]

Books can only tell of such people. They cannot replace them. Nor can they speak for them. And if you follow such books, there is nobody who can correct your course. A book can't. A living master can. x

Isn't that why Christians have the concept of the Living Christ and Holy Spirit?

 

[xexon]

The Bible is a physical object. It has the same connection to God as rocks and air have. It has no power except what people choose to give it. It's a treasure map that attracts alot of people, but this map has no "X" on it.

A master has a direct connection to the Godhead. He is a glove into which the hand of God works in the material world. When he speaks, it is God speaking.

If you seek the kingdom, you must ask a living person to point the way, otherwise, you take your chance with a map that has no X on it.


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[Radio Frequency X]

The Bible is a physical object. It has the same connection to God as rocks and air have. It has no power except what people choose to give it. It's a treasure map that attracts alot of people, but this map has no "X" on it.

Christians would argue that Christ is the "X" and that because Christ lives on in those that believe in Him, they have a living master.

 

[Sunstone]

I tend to agree that a good teacher is better than a good book.

 

[jacquie4000]

My question to you would be you say it only counts if it comes from your heart and not a book.

Let's for a moment just leave out how the books were sent down and why they were written.

Look at it from this perspective it you can. Why does anyone write a book or a poem or put something on paper? It is something that had meaning for them. It was something that was profound to that individual. They did not want to forget it and want future generations to read it. It was something that came from their heart.
So if you can speak it from your heart, you can write it from your heart also.

My personnal belief is none of the books is 100% correct, but we can learn much from them.

 

[doppelganger]

Who is your master, xenon? And why would such a noble gas need something to complete it?

 

[xexon]

Jesus is long gone from the physical world. Masters who have passed rarely accept new disciples. Its like expecting a dead doctor to cure you.

Christians have made the fatal mistake of confusing Jesus with the only way home.

Jesus doesn't want you to worship him. He never did. He only wants you to follow the path that he so simply laid out. Jesus doesn't want to to become a Christian either. Its a dead end road. Jesus want you to become a Christ. Just like him.

A "Christ" is just a person who has merged their being into the absolute. Its like pouring a cup of water into the ocean. The lines of division disappear.

The bible has done much damage to those who seek God because it has mistakenly turned Jesus into a deity. If you stop and worship the road sign, how will you ever complete your journey?


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[xexon]

Who is your master, xenon? And why would such a noble gas need something to complete it?

My master's name is Charan. He passed in 1990.

Even a noble gas requires excitation from an external source to glow.


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[sojourner]

The Bible is a physical object. It has the same connection to God as rocks and air have. It has no power except what people choose to give it. It's a treasure map that attracts alot of people, but this map has no "X" on it.

A master has a direct connection to the Godhead. He is a glove into which the hand of God works in the material world. When he speaks, it is God speaking.

If you seek the kingdom, you must ask a living person to point the way, otherwise, you take your chance with a map that has no X on it.


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Jesus is a person. Jesus, the Master, does give power to the Word, as it is revealed to us in scripture, because Jesus, the Master, is the Word.

If you are as esoteric as you appear to be, then you must have heard the axiom that
"Thoughts are things." Our thoughts carry power in the real world. It is precisely because so many have found the Master revealed in the thoughts of holy scripture, that holy scripture is powerful.

The scriptures are a map. And the map has an X. That X is the revealed Christ.

 

[doppelganger]

My master's name is Charan. He passed in 1990.

Even a noble gas requires excitation from an external source to glow.


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Can you tell us about him? What teachings inspired you to consider him a Master?

Do you mean Maharaj Charan Singh Ji?

 

[xexon]

Jesus is a person. Jesus, the Master, does give power to the Word, as it is revealed to us in scripture, because Jesus, the Master, is the Word.

If you are as esoteric as you appear to be, then you must have heard the axiom that
"Thoughts are things." Our thoughts carry power in the real world. It is precisely because so many have found the Master revealed in the thoughts of holy scripture, that holy scripture is powerful.

The scriptures are a map. And the map has an X. That X is the revealed Christ.

I'm not saying that the bible is worthless. Books are often the only source of spiritual nourishment that people have. However, the nutritional value is low. It's akin to spiritual junkfood. Most cannot tell the difference. They walk away feeling full and think they have accomplished something.

There have always been Christ figures among humanity. The world has never been without them. It is the destiny of all people to become a "Christ" themselves. One who walks with God while still in the body. This spiritual title is not exclusive to Jesus.

Jesus was a Christ, but he was also a Messiah. Messiahs are far more rare. A Christ can be anyone who is willing to take up that journey. A Messiah is a public figure sent by the almighty, who 's purpose is to effect a change in a large part of the population. They make course corrections for humanity.

Christs tend to work in localized ways. Most will never know them for who they are. They might be a local waitress or a homeless person in the streets, but unless you have some inner vision yourself, they will just be regular people to you.

I am familar with "thoughts are things". But, unless the mind has been brought under control, you will be unable to tell the difference between what the mind has created and what the divine whispers in your ear. This is why it is important to follow a living master. He has been where you are, knows the pitfalls, and has the power to correct your course when you have strayed into mental thoughtforms instead of the actual path. The more progressive you are in the pursuit of God awareness, the more intricate the traps are to hold you on earth.

This includes a book called the Holy Bible.


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[xexon]

Can you tell us about him? What teachings inspired you to consider him a Master?

Do you mean Maharaj Charan Singh Ji?

If you know his full title, there is nothing more I can tell you. It is up for you to decide from your own research how much of a master he was. My bond with him is my personal property, exclusive to me. I cannot discuss it publically. Not even with other disciples.

This path does not recruit. People find it when they're ready to find it.



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