Why the christian god is unworthy of worship, if he did exist.

[rageoftyrael]

Okay, i've been thinking about this recently, and i'm gonna let you guys in on my thoughts here. I believe, that if the christian god did exist, (not terribly likely, but i digress, lol) he/she/it would be unworthy of worship, and i'll give you some examples why. Oh, and i'd also like to point out that some of my examples are also indications of why the bible isn't too terribly logical either.

1. Let's start near the beginning of the bible, with the story of adam and eve. God makes adam and eve, and tells them, "do what you want, just don't eat from these two trees, the tree of knowledge and life". Adam and eve are all like "k", and go on their merry little way.

They have no problem following this rule, till a snake shows up, and talks eve into eating a piece of fruit from the tree of knowledge. (typical, the woman brought it upon us right, lol) After eve eats a piece, she talks adam into eating one as well. Now, apparently, this magical fruit has made them smarter, or something, (not to terribly specific, is it?) and they realize they are naked.

God shows up, and adam and eve run and hide, so as to not show their nakedness. God finds them and asks them why they are hiding. They say that they are naked. Now, god, god's a smart fella, right? God knows right away they've eaten of the tree of knowledge, and god gets mad, and decides to whip up some punishments. God's gonna kick them out, that's number one. Then god tells adam, you shall work for the rest of your days, to take care of yourself, eve, and your children. God tells eve, when you have children, you will have severe pain. Also, that eve will now defer to adam. And apparently they were originally immortal, because god tells them that they are now gonna age and die.

Okay, here's my take on this story.

A. Why didn't god put up some kind of wall around the trees? Or, being god, just make it impossible, via some kind of invisible compulsion, wall, etc., to get to the trees? Or, i don't know, not have the trees there? God is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful. So, any of my suggestions should have been within god's capabilities. Also, if god is all knowing, he would have known this would have happened. Why didn't god take steps to avoid this? Is god a sadist?

B. Why does the snake talk? Just saying.

C. By reading this story, it can be inferred that adam and eve didn't know the difference between right and wrong. Uh.... dur, they had to eat of the tree to know, didn't they? So, i ask you, how is god's reaction at all reasonable? It's like telling a three year old not to do something, and then basically throwing them out of the house to fend for themselves, and making sure to make their lives harder as well. No, it's not enough they just got booted out of their home.

Seriously? WTF?!? How am i supposed to worship this god? How is this a moral god? If you know the bible at all, you know there are more examples. Oh, i got this info from the king james bible, genesis 1:26 - 3:24.

So, thoughts?

*quick thing, before any christians say it, i'm aware that adam and eve didn't automatically take responsiblity, but they didn't lie.

 

[Me Myself]

Well, my disagreements with catholicism is what drifted me away from it.

One of the good things though are that they know that bible shouldn´t be read as a literal truth.

You can derive symbolism from that story.

What I find irreconsiable is when people say that this God is okay with his children going to eternal hell.

that´s one of my primal reasons from drifting, personally.

 

[rageoftyrael]

Lol, your comment about literal truth and symbolism is actually something i'm starting another thread about. It'll be up in a few.

 

[elmarna]

While I may not respond to the symbology as you do...
I am devoted to the god in the old testiment.
I percieve god as the "essence of life".
Try looking at it this way...
In life there are things that is not likely to have you satisfied in life or may do you harm. So as you grow and mature you learn to make choices. Some will bring you closer to god's world. The free will you have is either a blessing or a curse in the "ways" of the life you live!

 

[Renji]

What alarms me is that some actually view the Christian God as an Angry, old, white skinned, bearded man sitting on a cloud that will just throw someone into eternal flames for no reason..

 

[Renji]

... and also, the literalism that they apply in every single verse that they read in the bible, without reading the whole context of the verse.

 

[strikeviperMKII]

A. Because life doesn't work that way. You are not shielded from every temptation. In fact, you are faced with them all the time. To hide that from Adam and Eve would have been at the very least gross negligence on God's part. You may think ignorance is bliss, but life is far greater.

B. Meh, whatever. It could have been a poodle for all I care. Still means the same thing

C. Same reason as before. Shielding from the consequence is the same thing as shielding from the temptation. You may not like the consequence, but it is better than ignorance. Far better. You do have to own up to what you have done, whether you knew it was wrong or not.

 

[Me Myself]

A. Because life doesn't work that way. You are not shielded from every temptation. In fact, you are faced with them all the time.

The problem with this argument is that God made life that way deliberately.

 

[fallingblood]

The problem with the OP, that I see, is that they don't define God. I'm a Christian, I believe in God, and I find him very worthy of worship. Why? Because I don't take the Bible literally, and I do not believe it is possible for someone to completely define or even understand God as he is an alien being.

So you can look at the Bible in a literal sense, and take pieces out of context, and try to portray God as this evil being. But really, it is futile. Because you won't convince any Christians by doing that. Especially when you do not define God.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

A. Why didn't god put up some kind of wall around the trees? ...
B. Why does the snake talk? Just saying.
C. By reading this story, it can be inferred that adam and eve didn't know the difference between right and wrong.

• Building codes.
• Have you ever tried writing without arms?
• Discernment is not a binary state.

 

[rageoftyrael]

Seriously? Only a catholic could take that story, have someone spell it out for them like i just did, and still be like" they deserved it."

Fallingblood, i defined god exactly the way many christians define god. I treated this story exactly as how many christians treat it. Literally. The fact that a small percentage of you are smart enough to realize that this story doesn't make enough sense to take literally, doesn't mean that i'm somehow misinterpreting how the average christian looks at this.

 

[fallingblood]

Seriously? Only a catholic could take that story, have someone spell it out for them like i just did, and still be like" they deserved it."

Fallingblood, i defined god exactly the way many christians define god. I treated this story exactly as how many christians treat it. Literally. The fact that a small percentage of you are smart enough to realize that this story doesn't make enough sense to take literally, doesn't mean that i'm somehow misinterpreting how the average christian looks at this.

I think you may be. More and more Christians are seeing this story as a metaphor.

If you reworded your OP, and stated that the way some people view God is not worthy of worship, I would agree with that. Some portray God as a hateful, spiteful being. And I would agree that that idea of God is not worthy to be worshiped. However, more and more people are abandoning that idea.

 

[strikeviperMKII]

The problem with this argument is that God made life that way deliberately.

Yes. And you can either sit here and complain about it, or you can grow up and face it. You can't change the way life is, you can't make God redesign life because you think your ideas are better. Once you realize that, you will be infinitely better off. It's called being mature.

 

[rageoftyrael]

strikeviper, that's the fricking point! how can you take a god like that, and believe it is worthy of worship? you know the real point i was making? if you take the bible literally, like i did for this thread, what is the likelihood that god is even real? how does an all knowing being be that stupid?

 

[strikeviperMKII]

strikeviper, that's the fricking point! how can you take a god like that, and believe it is worthy of worship? you know the real point i was making? if you take the bible literally, like i did for this thread, what is the likelihood that god is even real? how does an all knowing being be that stupid?

By a 'god like that' you mean a god that is not afraid to show both sides, even though it could cost him people he loves? A god that doesn't dumb down the rewards or his requests to keep those same people?

 

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[rageoftyrael]

It's like telling a three year old not to touch a loaded gun, safety off, you've put on a table. It's right there. You've done absolutely nothing to keep him from doing so, other than tell them not to, saying it's dangerous. The child is fine with it. They go on their merry way. You know you've piqued their interest though. But a parent is like a god to children.

Unfortunately, children can be led astray. Another kid comes in and sees the gun. Goes up to the little kid and tells him he should play with the gun. Kid is like "no, daddy told me not to, said it was dangerous." The kid tells him his dad was just kidding, it's okay. Well, the kid was interested in the first place, and now he's being told it's okay by another person. Why not? Kid walks over, grabs the gun, and BLAM!, the gun goes off.

Kid doesn't get hurt, but the bullet hits a random person walking by on the street. You come running in, and see what has happened. An equivalent punishment would probably be something like throwing the kid out in the street, but not before breaking an arm or two, maybe putting a rope around their neck with a large rock to weigh them down.

The real question here is, who is actually to blame for the death of that bypasser? You, or the child? The child's actions led to the death, but so did yours. We both know the law would probably crack down on you for giving such easy access to a loaded gun to a child. Why is god, in a similar scenario, somehow coming out smelling like roses? He put a loaded gun before children, did absolutely nothing to prevent them from doing so, and then punishes them beyond any rational extent.

How do you not see this? Of course, this is a literal interpretation of the adam and eve story. But let's be honest here, when i went to church, no one ever told me it was just a parable, to teach us a lesson. I mean, they couldn't, could they? Considering the reason why we needed to accept jesus as our lord and savior was because he died to cleanse us of that original sin, right? I mean, is the original sin a parable? This is direct to fallingblood, as well. If the adam and eve story is just a parable, then that means we don't even know what was actually done as the original sin.

How can anyone be expected to pay for something they don't even know what was done? It's like cause a child was born in jail, they have to stay in jail for the rest of their lives, but their parent died in childbirth, and no one will tell them why they are stuck in jail. They are punished, and have to repent, even though they've not only done nothing,
but don't know why they are their.

 

[Me Myself]

Yes. And you can either sit here and complain about it, or you can grow up and face it. You can't change the way life is, you can't make God redesign life because you think your ideas are better. Once you realize that, you will be infinitely better off. It's called being mature.

Oh, don´t get me wrong, I love myself

the problem is that I also understand that God knew my decisions before he even made me (comes with omnissience) so logically, if I had been a person that does bad things and is going to hurt a lot of people and that I will go to hell, and he still makes me, he becomes responsable for my eternity of suffering.

I am not saying that Iw ouldn´t be responsable, I am saying that God would be, at least, as responsable, because he knew the consecuences before creating me.

For example, If I have the power of liberate a murderer that pathologically murders everyone and put it in your house. Would I be inocent when he murders all your family? would he be inocent? No. If I knew he was going to kill everyone and I deliberately facilitate it to him both I and him are responsable for all the killings.

In that same way, God would be responsable for eternal damnation of any human.

 

[strikeviperMKII]

The real question here is, who is actually to blame for the death of that bypasser?

You already know the answer to this question. Unfortunately, its not the question you should be asking.

It's like cause a child was born in jail, they have to stay in jail for the rest of their lives, but their parent died in childbirth, and no one will tell them why they are stuck in jail. They are punished, and have to repent, even though they've not only done nothing,
but don't know why they are their.

We are all born into jail. It is a 'jail' of humanness. Of ego. You may deny that this jail exists, but you are screaming that from within it. Accept the jail. Accept that there is a key for it. Accept that getting that key and using it will be the hardest thing you will ever do, and accept that the jail will never go away. Temptation will always be there.

If you truly believe that you have done nothing to deserve this, then I don't know what to tell you. Even a child acts on their ego (Adam and Eve both did, hence the creation story).

 

[JacobEzra.]

What alarms me is that some actually view the Christian God as an Angry, old, white skinned, bearded man sitting on a cloud that will just throw someone into eternal flames for no reason..

... and also, the literalism that they apply in every single verse that they read in the bible, without reading the whole context of the verse.

This bothers me to. But sadly there are plenty Christians who do such a thing.