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Why The Christian's Laughter Is Full Of Pain

When you hear the laughter of some Christians do you ever wonder why there is so much pain in it? Why it often has the effect of causing tiny alarm bells to start ringing inside of you? Why it can make you solemn and reflective in the way that a great tragedy does? Why you feel a little saddened in its aftermath? Perhaps on witnessing this kind of laughter issuing from the Christian's mouth you have been so shocked by it that you have turned away from him, lowered your head and whispered to yourself: 'My God. The pain in that laughter! Doesn't he realise how awful it sounds?'

No reasonable person would blame you for wondering how the Christian can be blind to the pain in his own laughter given that the pain which fills it is so stark in nature, so blatant and unmistakable, so flagrant as to be nakedly obvious. This is why even though one finds the Christian's laughter excruciating one cannot help but be intrigued by it at the same time. This laughter is so anguished in tone, so forced in its delivery, so hysterical in its outburst that one involuntarily shrinks from it as if from an exploding boil. One feels acutely embarrassed for the Christian on hearing his pained and desperate laughter. Indeed, one is even moved at times to pity him because of it. That said, the pain in the Christian's laughter is so uniquely awful that it demands an explanation.

The reason why the pain in the Christian's laughter creates such a strong impression on rational individuals, and makes them prick up their ears whenever they hear it, is because it reveals more about the Christian's inner being in an instant than a very large book could ever do. What this laughter reveals about the Christian in such an immediate and striking way is that he is an individual who suffers greatly from himself: more precisely, that he is someone to whom something terrible has been done, something shameful, and that the person who has done this terrible and shameful thing to him is none other than himself. How do we know this? Because the Christian's laughter is a laughter which resonates with deep and unrelenting guilt. It is the tortured laughter born of an individual who cannot live with himself, an individual who recognises at some level of his being that he is disgraceful and contemptible, an object to be despised. This is why on hearing it the man of finer feelings and good taste immediately averts his eyes from its source.

The terrible and shameful thing which the Christian has done to himself inwardly, and which fills his laughter with so much pain, is that he has murdered his freedom and integrity for the sake of his religion. The Christian is only too willing to perform this deplorable act of self-sabotage because he is a weakling who is terrified of assuming responsibility and control over his own life and decisions. Rather than determining for himself what kind of person he will become and how he will live, he pretends that a 'Divine Being' exists external to himself so that he can abandon himself to its will and authority. Thus, instead of taking charge of his own existence, instead of being the author of his own destiny, the Christian chooses to adopt an infantile orientation to life by clinging abjectly to his religion, by clinging to a childish delusion, by clinging to the apron strings of 'God'. As a consequence of choosing to be un-free and inauthentic in this way, by choosing to remain locked in a state of permanent infancy, the Christian allows his own existential possibilities to wither and die: so much so, that long before his body expires he becomes something false and vacuous, a shell of a man, a desiccated nonentity, the ghost of what might have been.

The pain in the Christian's laughter, then, should be understood as summarising all the anguish and guilt he feels at having betrayed himself, all the hurt and rage he feels at having neglected and disowned his true potentialities and goals, all his secret shame at having made a travesty of his life. His pained laughter announces to the whole world in a direct and emphatic way that he is a cowardly wretch who dreads his own freedom, that he is unnerved by the innumerable possibilities of existence, that he is so afraid of thinking and acting for himself that he is willing to forgo the possibility of his own self-creation.

Given that what the Christian thinks, says and does are done in almost total compliance and conformity with the directives of a fantasised power which lies outside himself (viz. 'God') this means that he is not really in his 'own' thoughts, not really in his 'own' words, not really in his 'own' actions. This accounts for why he is prey to recurring feelings of emptiness, depersonalization and unreality - and the horrible suspicion that he is merely going through the motions of being alive. The Christian is necessarily divorced from his whole inner life and experience because what he thinks, says and does are informed by, or are done in accordance with, a 'Divine Power' which is perceived as other than himself. The Christian, in effect, exists only in absentia for he is a person who has absconded from himself. His self-being is really a form of death-in-life.

Having considered the above it is hardly surprising, then, that the pain in the Christian's laughter leaves the rational person who has the misfortune to hear it somewhat depressed. For it signifies a human tragedy - the tragedy of an individual who, out of weakness and fear, has failed to achieve an authentic mode of being, who has never grown up, and who has wantonly sacrificed two of the most precious things a human being can possess: viz. his own freedom and integrity.

Regards

James
 

Radio Frequency X

World Leader Pretend
Interesting post. Generalizing will get you in quite a pickle in such a diverse online community where people deserve respect and the benefit of the doubt, however, you did bring up many interesting points which I have also observed - but understand that Christianity is now too broad to paint with one brush. There are plenty of healthy Christians.
 

Radio Frequency X

World Leader Pretend
Glaswegian said:
I'd like to hear more about these observations of yours, Radio Frequency X

Please understand that I have a great deal of sympathy for Christianity. My wife and family are Christian. However, my experience of Christianity has led me to believe that many Christians have become consumed with the idea of self-sacrifice. They want less of themselves. They write songs about that. They lose themselves in their religious experience, in their Church, and in the dogma. But this is true of most every religion.

Much of religion begins with fear and guilt, and much of the problems come from that.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Radio Frequency X said:
Interesting post. Generalizing will get you in quite a pickle in such a diverse online community where people deserve respect and the benefit of the doubt, however, you did bring up many interesting points which I have also observed - but understand that Christianity is now too broad to paint with one brush. There are plenty of healthy Christians.
That was my thought, too. It's an interesting observation, but it is a gross generalization that does not apply to lots of Christians. I think the point suffers from such generalizing even though it bears contemplation.
 
Radio Frequency X said:
Please understand that I have a great deal of sympathy for Christianity. My wife and family are Christian. However, my experience of Christianity has led me to believe that many Christians have become consumed with the idea of self-sacrifice. They want less of themselves. They write songs about that. They lose themselves in their religious experience, in their Church, and in the dogma. But this is true of most every religion.

Much of religion begins with fear and guilt, and much of the problems come from that.
You've said a number of things here which I strongly agree with, Radio Frequency X. I think they are worth discussing in more detail. And I hope I can do this over the next couple of days.
 

XAAX

Active Member
I am normally not one to come to the defense of the Christians. As a matter of fact this is kind of frightening that I am doing it at all. :areyoucra But you need to be a little more specific when you refer to Christians. I myself have been guilty of this in a few of my rant posts. But not all Christians are bad. To be Christian does not make a good person bad. Some of the most wonderful people I have ever know were Christians. Granted those people were not your typical type, they never went to church and they never preached or judged. The point being, especially in here, there are open minds…but not to those who aren’t willing to listen themselves.
 

Lindsey-Loo

Steel Magnolia
When you hear the laughter of some Christians do you ever wonder why there is so much pain in it? Why it often has the effect of causing tiny alarm bells to start ringing inside of you? Why it can make you solemn and reflective in the way that a great tragedy does? Why you feel a little saddened in its aftermath? Perhaps on witnessing this kind of laughter issuing from the Christian's mouth you have been so shocked by it that you have turned away from him, lowered your head and whispered to yourself: 'My God. The pain in that laughter! Doesn't he realise how awful it sounds?'

No reasonable person would blame you for wondering how the Christian can be blind to the pain in his own laughter given that the pain which fills it is so stark in nature, so blatant and unmistakable, so flagrant as to be nakedly obvious. This is why even though one finds the Christian's laughter excruciating one cannot help but be intrigued by it at the same time. This laughter is so anguished in tone, so forced in its delivery, so hysterical in its outburst that one involuntarily shrinks from it as if from an exploding boil. One feels acutely embarrassed for the Christian on hearing his pained and desperate laughter. Indeed, one is even moved at times to pity him because of it. That said, the pain in the Christian's laughter is so uniquely awful that it demands an explanation.

The reason why the pain in the Christian's laughter creates such a strong impression on rational individuals, and makes them prick up their ears whenever they hear it, is because it reveals more about the Christian's inner being in an instant than a very large book could ever do. What this laughter reveals about the Christian in such an immediate and striking way is that he is an individual who suffers greatly from himself: more precisely, that he is someone to whom something terrible has been done, something shameful, and that the person who has done this terrible and shameful thing to him is none other than himself. How do we know this? Because the Christian's laughter is a laughter which resonates with deep and unrelenting guilt. It is the tortured laughter born of an individual who cannot live with himself, an individual who recognises at some level of his being that he is disgraceful and contemptible, an object to be despised. This is why on hearing it the man of finer feelings and good taste immediately averts his eyes from its source.

The terrible and shameful thing which the Christian has done to himself inwardly, and which fills his laughter with so much pain, is that he has murdered his freedom and integrity for the sake of his religion. The Christian is only too willing to perform this deplorable act of self-sabotage because he is a weakling who is terrified of assuming responsibility and control over his own life and decisions. Rather than determining for himself what kind of person he will become and how he will live, he pretends that a 'Divine Being' exists external to himself so that he can abandon himself to its will and authority. Thus, instead of taking charge of his own existence, instead of being the author of his own destiny, the Christian chooses to adopt an infantile orientation to life by clinging abjectly to his religion, by clinging to a childish delusion, by clinging to the apron strings of 'God'. As a consequence of choosing to be un-free and inauthentic in this way, by choosing to remain locked in a state of permanent infancy, the Christian allows his own existential possibilities to wither and die: so much so, that long before his body expires he becomes something false and vacuous, a shell of a man, a desiccated nonentity, the ghost of what might have been.

The pain in the Christian's laughter, then, should be understood as summarising all the anguish and guilt he feels at having betrayed himself, all the hurt and rage he feels at having neglected and disowned his true potentialities and goals, all his secret shame at having made a travesty of his life. His pained laughter announces to the whole world in a direct and emphatic way that he is a cowardly wretch who dreads his own freedom, that he is unnerved by the innumerable possibilities of existence, that he is so afraid of thinking and acting for himself that he is willing to forgo the possibility of his own self-creation.

Given that what the Christian thinks, says and does are done in almost total compliance and conformity with the directives of a fantasised power which lies outside himself (viz. 'God') this means that he is not really in his 'own' thoughts, not really in his 'own' words, not really in his 'own' actions. This accounts for why he is prey to recurring feelings of emptiness, depersonalization and unreality - and the horrible suspicion that he is merely going through the motions of being alive. The Christian is necessarily divorced from his whole inner life and experience because what he thinks, says and does are informed by, or are done in accordance with, a 'Divine Power' which is perceived as other than himself. The Christian, in effect, exists only in absentia for he is a person who has absconded from himself. His self-being is really a form of death-in-life.

Having considered the above it is hardly surprising, then, that the pain in the Christian's laughter leaves the rational person who has the misfortune to hear it somewhat depressed. For it signifies a human tragedy - the tragedy of an individual who, out of weakness and fear, has failed to achieve an authentic mode of being, who has never grown up, and who has wantonly sacrificed two of the most precious things a human being can possess: viz. his own freedom and integrity.

Regards

James

You are making a vast generalization. You will find that certain Christians are very happy with who they are and how they live. I have noticed pain in some Christian's laughter, but never the ones in my congregation...that leads me to believe that there is something besides being a Christian that is behind their pain. I have know idea how you can infer all of this, make a vast generalization such as the one above, and then except people to buy it.
 

Random

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
The OP sounds like bunk to me. Poetic. But irrational and based on a false premiss.

Wow! Pulling no punches today, Phil. Have another cup of coffee, dude...:p

I think the OP is trying to express the view that there is an inherent demetia associated with religions that emphasise harmful self-denial and self-estrangement under the guise of the virtue of Selflessness. It's more of that Self-bashing we talked about on previous threads: we agreed it is not a good thing and it isn't.

He is making the point, I think, that there is an element of the Smiling Depressives about Christians.

I have met a few who satisfy this criteria, but not many. Most Christians I find go through the motions of their "faith", which is not deeply held by them, then get on with worldly life as though it didn't even exist.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Godlike said:
I think the OP is trying to express the view that there is an inherent demetia associated with religions that emphasise harmful self-denial and self-estrangement under the guise of the virtue of Selflessness. It's more of that Self-bashing we talked about on previous threads: we agreed it is not a good thing and it isn't.

Good point, Conor! And well spoken! Of course I agree with you. My quibble with the OP is that it ascribes to all Christians the "sins" of a few. In doing so, whatever merit it might have gets lost in the irrational smearing of a couple billion people.
 

Random

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
Good point, Conor! And well spoken! Of course I agree with you. My quibble with the OP is that it ascribes to all Christians the "sins" of a few. In doing so, whatever merit it might have gets lost in the irrational smearing of a couple billion people.

Completely right: one cannot tar them all with the same brush, of course not.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Godlike said:
I think the OP is trying to express the view that there is an inherent demetia associated with religions that emphasise harmful self-denial and self-estrangement under the guise of the virtue of Selflessness.

Yes, and it's that premise about "inherent dementia" that is pure bunkum.

It's like aliens landing in the Sahara and proclaiming the entire Earth a desert.

Highly illogical, Captain... :sarcastic
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I can think of Christians off the top of my head from RF where I don't detect any inherent pain in their sense of humor.............NetDoc, Sojournor, A_E........that is, unless, the pain comes from making me want to cringe from any dry humor in their quips. ;)



Peace,
Mystic
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
I don't agree with the generalization either, though I will say I have a first-hand sense of how some ways of approaching Christianity are fairly described in the OP.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
Glaswegian said:
When you hear the laughter of some Christians do you ever wonder why there is so much pain in it?
No, I have never wondered such a thing. Tho I have more than once wondered why people take the time to write long diatribes against Christians (or any other group of people). It makes me wonder if they aren't working out their own insecurities and pain by trying to lift themselves up by putting others down.
 

Radio Frequency X

World Leader Pretend
Sunstone said:
Good point, Conor! And well spoken! Of course I agree with you. My quibble with the OP is that it ascribes to all Christians the "sins" of a few. In doing so, whatever merit it might have gets lost in the irrational smearing of a couple billion people.

I think we need to give the OP more credit than that. I hate that it was applied to all, because I know many Christians to whom this does not apply, but there is a very real sense of truth to which he spoke. Whether it is 20% or 40% or 60%, the impression is not fantasy. I've gone through the last 8 years of my life with pretty much the same impression of the vast majority of Christians. My sympathies to the contrary are personal - I've found a personal God, the same God, I believe, that Christians worship. But, there is a prevailing reality in Christianity and Christian culture that has created the impression that is the antecedent to the OP.

So, while I think it is important for the well being of this community, that we demonstrate pluralism and tolerance to all religions, and discourage our members from making posts that paint everyone of a single religion with one brush, we can still stop and listen to the points he brought up.

Christians on this forum should also be aware that these are not impressions drawn from just one person, but many people (non-Christians) have experienced the same impressions. And so long as we can discuss these impressions in a compassionate and objective way, maybe something good can come from it.
 
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