Why they are fake?

[leibowde84]

Why do you think like that in the first place? why you don't think that he was honest?

because an overwhelming majority of supposed prophets speaking for God have been proven to be false. further many of them have caused a great deal of pain to innocent people. so, I don't think it's unreasonable to be skeptical of anyone claiming to do this.

 

[leibowde84]

you're right but why are you assuming that it's a scam?

the vast majority of those self proclaimed prophets who have claimed to speak for God have been proven false. how could you find it reasonable to not be skeptical.

 

[AhmedE]

how could you find it reasonable to not be skeptical.

I don't see there's any prove against it so it must be true

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Why do you think like that in the first place? why you don't think that he was honest?

Open your eyes look how they live compared to.. Live a life of luxury beyond need while others eat dust.

 

[sojourner]

also Quran we know it's god's revelation to guide the humanity and tell them why they are here?

How do you know that? What's your proof? The precedent for most writings is that the ideas come from the human mind. What is the special precedent for the Koran to tell us that it is "revealed?"

 

[leibowde84]

I don't see there's any prove against it so it must be true

Is there any proof that aliens don't exist? What about proof that Joseph Smith didn't really find those tablets?

 

[sojourner]

I don't see there's any prove against it so it must be true

The proof is that there is no reasonable evidence for the existence of God. You'd first need to prove God's existence before you can say that God created the Koran.

 

[sojourner]

who created you? you cannot deny that god created you

Oh yes! It can most certainly be reasonably denied.

 

[leibowde84]

The proof is that there is no reasonable evidence for the existence of God. You'd first need to prove God's existence before you can say that God created the Koran.

that might be asking too much of him. I'm not sure whether he can get his mind around the concept that God might not exist. I don't mean to be disrespectful at all, I just feel like we're not going to get anywhere with that argument.

 

[sojourner]

that might be asking too much of him. I'm not sure whether he can get his mind around the concept that God might not exist. I don't mean to be disrespectful at all, I just feel like we're not going to get anywhere with that argument.

We don't seem to be getting anywhere with any argument.

 

[leibowde84]

I don't see there's any prove against it so it must be true

What about scientology?

 

[Riverwolf]

you're right but why are you assuming that it's a scam?

I'm not.

I'm saying that it could be. Or it could be delusional ramblings. These are more likely than it being from any God.

 

[Riverwolf]

I don't see there's any prove against it so it must be true

That is not the way things work.

Arguments are negative until proven positive. In other words, when examining something logically and/or scientifically, the argument is false by default, until it can be proven true.

 

[psychoslice]

I know what you mean it's said before you by Ibn Arabi and I don't think that you can study for the exam with your heart could you?

Study has nothing to do with God, the more you study the less you know, you as yourself is all you need to be, you just have to find yourself first.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

If I analyzed what I mentioned above .. it's clear that their are two ways .. you are looking for your benefit in this life .. or you are looking for the benefit in the hereafter ..

Wow! So close but so far away. This life..or the hereafter! On that I agree with you 100%

The difference between you and I...You are looking for YOUR benefit...I am seeking the best for all.

 

[Looncall]

that might be asking too much of him. I'm not sure whether he can get his mind around the concept that God might not exist. I don't mean to be disrespectful at all, I just feel like we're not going to get anywhere with that argument.

You have clearly hit the nail on the head. I have read that aid workers in muslim countries have found that the people there were simply unable to take in anything that was not in an islamic context.

It's sad that islam seems to be such a debilitating malady of the intellect.

 

[JoStories]

you're right and this is what said in Quran, If you are in doubt in Quran or thinks that Prophet Mohammed PBUH invented it .. then invent something like it

Many people have done so. For example, there is an entire religion built by L Ron Hubbard called Scientology, done about..what?....30 years ago? It is not difficult at all to write a religious text.

 

[JoStories]

It convinces me what god says So who is more unjust than he who invents a lie about Allah or denies His signs? Indeed, the criminals will not succeed

I just cannot think that these words can be anything but god's words

Which is perfectly fine...for you. You think these are God's words but to me, they are not. Can either of us prove the other is wrong? No, because there is no proof, AhmedE. I don't have any issue wi what you believe but you need to understand that not everyone will believe as you do.

 

[JoStories]

Why should I trust you and not trust Quran? do you have something better than Quran? Or you just want to prove you're right because you just don't know how god revealed it? and how could god send it?

You don't have to. But you cannot come here and make a certain statement, such as that we need to read the Qu'ran and we will believe it, without evidence of same. I have read it and frankly speaking, it did not appeal to me. This is not a sermon or a place to convince others of the veracity of your claims, It's a debate forum.

 

[Riverwolf]

You have clearly hit the nail on the head. I have read that aid workers in muslim countries have found that the people there were simply unable to take in anything that was not in an islamic context.

It's sad that islam seems to be such a debilitating malady of the intellect.

I've seen plenty of Muslims who had quite functional intellect. This sort of intellectual elitism, however, is itself subtly harmful to the intellect its so proud of. After all, I've seen few fellow intellectuals who've seemed incapable of regarding anything outside unintellectual contexts.

It's hard stepping outside of the contexts of our native cultures.