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Why they are fake?

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AhmedE

Member
Tumah said:
Muhammad are you talking about?
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read the quran and you will know it's god's word if you read it with no previous thoughts but with a pure heart these are the verses you can understand what I meant after reading their translations

Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, " Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?" Say, "I will not testify [with you]." Say, "Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."

Those to whom We have given the Scripture recognize it as they recognize their [own] sons. Those who will lose themselves [in the Hereafter] do not believe.

And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Indeed, the wrongdoers will not succeed.
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
AhmedE said:
read the quran and you will know it's god's word if you read it with no previous thoughts but with a pure heart these are the verses you can understand what I meant after reading their translations

Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, " Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?" Say, "I will not testify [with you]." Say, "Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."

Those to whom We have given the Scripture recognize it as they recognize their [own] sons. Those who will lose themselves [in the Hereafter] do not believe.

And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Indeed, the wrongdoers will not succeed.
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So if I read the Qur'an with the belief that the Qur'an is from Allah, then I will believe that the Qur'an is true?
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
AhmedE said:
If you can deny that? ask yourself whether god wants us to worship him only? read the quran and see what it seems to you?
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Been there,
Done that.
Didn't work out as you claim.

Care to try again or are you going to try the scotsman approach?
 
Vishvavajra

Vishvavajra

Active Member
AhmedE said:
If you can deny that? ask yourself whether god wants us to worship him only? read the quran and see what it seems to you?
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I tried once. It was very obvious to me that it was written by a human mind as well as human hands. Too many human vices labeled as "God."

But I have found a scripture that appears to be very ancient (or at least it says it is). I know it's a direct message from God because it also says that itself. It also says that anyone who doesn't believe that is gay. So are you gay, then? You must be, since this divine scripture says so, and it also says that it's never wrong.

[/reductio ad absurdum]
 
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