Why vegetarianism?

[leroy]

I am pretty sure it would. The manufacture of vegi food is much less labour intensive and automated. Supermarkets already exist so would not take on anyore staff. But the butchers department would be lost.

In that case, food would be cheaper to produce and cheaper for the consumer, (because markets and food factories, would need less employees,) which means that you would have extra cash, which means that you would spend that money somewhere else (say more popcorn in the movie theater) which means that you will help the popcorn and movie industry which means that more jobs in those industries will be created.

 

[PearlSeeker]

Eat dirt!

Seriously, that's where B12 ultimately comes from, so thoroughly peeling and/or scrubbing vegetables creates that shortage. However, one can also take a B12 pill-- problem solved.

But eating dirt is risky for health.

 

[Secret Chief]

It's getting everywhere! Just seen this at the tills in M&S...

 

[PearlSeeker]

Companies like Tyson would sale vegan *meat* balls instead of “normal” meat balls

Tyson's "meat":

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Forgive me if it bothers you, but I have a carnivorous bent and enjoy eating meat. Though, I love veggies too. Not sure if I'm convinced that there is an ethical difference between eating meat and eating plants. Both are living things.

I respect the rights of other not to eat meat for pretty much whatever reason they choose.

 

[Valjean]

But eating dirt is risky for health.

I agree. Eating B12 vitamin pills is safer.
I'm not arguing that our species isn't biologically omniverous. I'm arguing that we now have options, and eating lower on the food chain would be economically and environmentally beneficial.

 

[Valjean]

Forgive me if it bothers you, but I have a carnivorous bent and enjoy eating meat. Though, I love veggies too. Not sure if I'm convinced that there is an ethical difference between eating meat and eating plants. Both are living things.

But most animals possess the qualities that prevent us from killing and eating each other, as well. Plants don't. "Life" is not the criterion anyone's advocating.

I respect the rights of other not to eat meat for pretty much whatever reason they choose.

 

[1213]

...We know the cause of this one; it's us. Whether we can do anything about it is debatable, at this point, but we owe the planet an attempt.

I don't believe the change is because of humans. But, obviously, if you think it is because of humans, then humans can end it also as well. I think it is megalomaniac thought.

...catastrophic effects this growing concentration of CH4 and CO2 is creating. You should read something about it before you declare it benign.

I have read a lot and that is why I say it is rubbish to say CO2 is a problem and reason for catastrophic effects. Only reason to blame CO2 is that it gives the tyrants nice way to oppress people and tax them more.

 

[Valjean]

I don't believe the change is because of humans. But, obviously, if you think it is because of humans, then humans can end it also as well. I think it is megalomaniac thought.

No, you feel it's false and megalomaniacal. Thinking it would presuppose a review of evidence, which you clearly have not done. Researchers, in all relevant fields, who have done this, are near unanimous in their conclusion that we are the cause.
Q: Which of their many evidences, do you dispute?

I have read a lot and that is why I say it is rubbish to say CO2 is a problem and reason for catastrophic effects.

Sources, please. I challenge you to produce any knowledgeable sources or facts opposing anthropogenic climate change.

Only reason to blame CO2 is that it gives the tyrants nice way to oppress people and tax them more.

??????????
How does human caused climate change allow tyrants to oppress or tax us?

 

[metis]

I have read a lot and that is why I say it is rubbish to say CO2 is a problem and reason for catastrophic effects.

From actual scientific sources, I think not. So, maybe you can link us to your sources?

 

[syo]

I want to become vegetarian but I can't. I need protein.

 

[Jimmy]

What "other stuff" is that, which vegans have to eat? Wouldn't just dropping the meat, and eating more of the grains, veggies and fruits you already eat make you a proper vegan?

You know the other stuff.

 

[Vinayaka]

I want to become vegetarian but I can't. I need protein.

Are you allergic to Tofu, chick peas, lentils, nuts, grains, seeds, peanut butter, and a whole ton of other non-meat proteins. I'd like to stop eating those stupid vegetables, but I need vitamins.

I think this entire vegetarian debate would be far better off if folks looked closely at their own diets rather than at the diets of others. It's a subset of all ways in which people are more concerned about other peoples business than they are of their own. I'm a 50 year vegetarian, but hey if you want to eat meat, go for it. it's entirely your choice and absolutely none of my business.

 

[PearlSeeker]

I want to become vegetarian but I can't. I need protein.

What about eggs and dairy?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why do I choose vegetarianism?

I believe animals do have souls
Animals do feel pain, they get scared and other negative feelings
Animals is also very itelligent. More intelligent than what human thought earlier

And it is more climate-friendly to not eat meat

Because of this I am vegetarian.

Any thoughts? Why are you vegetarian or vegan? Why do you eat meat?

I have compassion for animals. I believe they feel pain and have feelings and all that stuff. I'm utterly opposed to treating animals cruelly.

That said, let's continue.

We ourselves are animals. We eat, poop, have sex, breath... One of the things that is true about the human species is that we have evolved to be omnivores. I'm sorry, but nature is just cruel. Animals eat other animals to live. Life feeds on life. The diet most healthy for human beings is to eat a wide variety of fruits and vegetables and animal products. Not that everyone chooses to eat healthy. If you are eating a steady diet of donuts, you are not going to be healthy whether you eat meat or are a vegetarian. But a diet that is vegan is going to deprive you of basic nutrients (for example, all vegans have to eat B12 supplements). It is inherently unhealthy. You can have a healthy diet as a regular vegetarian, which includes animal products, but it is very difficult, because it is not what is natural. And some people need a low carb high protein diet, which is not conducive to vegetarianism.

I think that the animals we raise for food should be treated with respect and kindness (a problem in the modern meat industry which needs to be corrected). Death should be very quick. But I think that we need to accept that eating meat is what is natural for us, and not pretend that we are herbivores.

I struggled with all of this when I was younger. I have a heart of compassion, including towards animals. I tried being vegetarian three times, and each of the three times, I ended up being diabetic. My body simply does not process carbs well, and I was having to eat too much grains and lentils to get the protein I needed. I have had to reluctantly accept the fact that I must eat meat. I don't eat a lot of it, and I do get most of my protein from milk. But it is a fact of life for me.

 

[1213]

No, you feel it's false and megalomaniacal. Thinking it would presuppose a review of evidence, which you clearly have not done. Researchers, in all relevant fields, who have done this, are near unanimous in their conclusion that we are the cause.
Q: Which of their many evidences, do you dispute?

The problem is they don't have real evidence.

How does human caused climate change allow tyrants to oppress or tax us?

Politicians decide that CO2 is a problem, even if it is not. That gives them reason to say people should not for example use combustion engines and if people use them, government punishes them with taxing it more. And because in many cases people don't have other realistic choice, they have to pay and leaders gets richer.

And also, by doing so, government presses people to buy for example new electric cars, or something else that is allegedly good for the environment, that they can also tax. And so, it also serves industry that can sell more cars, because of what government decides. And it seems governments are sponsored by biggest owners of the industry, so it all kind of serves the owners, not environment or the people.

It seems the whole climate drama is invented for the benefit of rich owners. By the "green" policy industry is moved into countries that don't care environment and human rights, which means it is cheaper and more profits for the owners. And by making new rules, people are forced to consume even more, which actually only increases pollution and burden to environment. The climate change scare mongering has nothing to do with environment that is more polluted because of all the climate actions. Not only production is done in more polluting way, also the shipping adds more pollution. And all that is supported by funding studies that will say that people must reduce CO2.

The whole human caused climate change idea is one of the biggest scams in human history. But, what I say doesn't mean people should not take care of environment. I think it is good to do so. But, it should be done in reasonable way. One good way to do it is by repairing stuff, instead of buying new. The reason why government can't support reasonable way is that it doesn't make money for them and the owners. All solutions they insist are for to make more money and power for the owners and themselves.

 

[1213]

From actual scientific sources, I think not. So, maybe you can link us to your sources?

I have not seen any scientific text that proves CO2 is really the problem. If you have, please show it.

 

[ajay0]

Vegetarianism has been associated with lower rates of cancer and heart disease, considered to be the two biggest killers in the world today.

Research has shown a correlation between higher rates of cancer, cardiac diseases and nonvegetarianism.

Vegetarianism can reduce risk of heart disease by up to a third | University of Oxford

https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/vegetarians-get-less-cancer/

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-...nt-based-food-helps-fight-cancer/art-20457590

This is important as Cancer has become the second leading cause of death, second only to cardiovascular diseases in the western world and globally.

Cancer

Thus if one wants to increase longevity, vegetarianism is the obvious choice.


Vegetarianism has also been linked with lower rates of diabetes, dementia and decreased symptoms of asthma..

Vegetarians Have Lower Dementia Risk

Vegetarian Diets and the Risk of Diabetes


Vegetarian diet is also known to prevent osteoporosis associated with poor bone health, enables better mental health and reduced depression and anxiety levels...

How and Why to Become a Vegetarian

Five surprising benefits of a plant-based diet

Vegetarian Diet Is Associated with Lower Risk of Depression in Taiwan

 

[metis]

I have not seen any scientific text that proves CO2 is really the problem. If you have, please show it.

Here's one source and there's many more: Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide | NOAA Climate.gov

Causes and Effects of Climate Change | United Nations

CO2 emissions - Our World in Data

Global Warming vs. Climate Change | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet (nasa.gov)

 

[Secret Chief]

all vegans have to eat B12 supplements

It's in a lot of products these days eg plant milk, so a varied diet means one does not have to take supps.