Why vegetarianism?

[Twilight Hue]

But it's not. You claimed there are several ESSENTIALS that are "just about or outright impossible to extract from plants".

That's categorically NOT what your source says. It explicitly lists the essentials as having alternative sources, and lists the ones without alternative sources as non-essential.

Read your own article.

So I paraphrased what is essentially the same thing.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Like I said, Believe it or not.

I'm going to leave it at that.

Classic move.

"Here is my source which supports my claims!"
"This source does not support your claims."
"Uh, yeah, it does... I think. Maybe."
"No, it doesn't. You said X, it says Y."
"Whatever." (leave)

Great logic.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So I paraphrased what is essentially the same thing.

No, it's not the same thing. What you said was an outright fabrication.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, it's not the same thing. What you said was an outright fabrication.

Right sure.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Right sure.

"There are at least 7 essential nutrients that it is either very difficult or impossible to get from plants."

Is not the same claim as

"Here is a list of seven nutrients, some essential some non-essential, that may be more difficult to find non-animal sources for, and a list of non-animal sources for them."

You clearly and obviously misrepresented the article.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"There are at least 7 essential nutrients that it is either very difficult or impossible to get from plants."

Is not the same claim as

"Here is a list of seven nutrients, some essential some non-essential, that may be more difficult to find non-animal sources for, and a list of non-animal sources for them."

You clearly and obviously misrepresented the article.

It isn't what the article stated.

The word "impossible" was clearly and definitely used in the paragraph.

I'll play ball, in what context is "impossible" being used then?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It isn't what the article stated.

The word "impossible" was clearly and definitely used in the paragraph.

I'll play ball, in what context is "impossible" being used then?

Do I really have to teach you to read? In what universe does simply using the word "impossible" mean "oh, therefore it MUST be saying that all seven of these nutrients MUST be essential and MUST be impossible to get from plants!"

In no Universe we live in.

Be an adult, read your own source.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do I really have to teach you to read? In what universe does simply using the word "impossible" mean "oh, therefore it MUST be saying that all seven of these nutrients MUST be essential and MUST be impossible to get from plants!"

In no Universe we live in.

Be an adult, read your own source.

No. I never stated all 7 together. Point to where i ever stated that?

I'm not the one that needs to learn how to read here nor require any growing up to understand what I posted.

It's pretty well spelled out. It's your projections that are the problem. Clearly yours, not mine.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No. I never stated all 7 together. Point to where i ever stated that?

You said they were all essential.

I'm not the one that needs to learn how to read here nor require any growing up to understand what I posted.

It's pretty well spelled out. It's your projections that are the problem. Clearly yours, not mine.

Cope harder. Your denial is hilarious.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You said they were all essential.


Cope harder. Your denial is hilarious.

You didn't answer my question.

Point exactly where I said all of them.

Or are you the one actually fabricating things here?

 

[Secret Chief]

Dunno where in the world they get it then.

There are at least 7 essentials that are just about, or outright impossible to extract from plants.

You are consuming some animal matter no matter what in order to stay healthy.

As Ripley would say, "Believe it or not".

7 Nutrients You Can’t Get from Plants

I don't.

How have I stayed so healthy for 40 years? You know what I eat better than me then? I am not consuming animal matter. The only essential I need because of my diet is iodone and it's from a vegan product. Care to name the 7 I lack? (hint- there aren't any).

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You didn't answer my question.

Point exactly where I said all of them.

Or are you the one actually fabricating things here?

You claimed all seven were essential and either impossible or near impossible to get from plants.

And no, you're not going to turn this around on me. I am not the one who made a bunch of completely spurious claims and then Googled "nutrients you can't get from plants' and pasted the first result without reading it.

That's you.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You claimed all seven were essential and either impossible or near impossible to get from plants.

And no, you're not going to turn this around on me. I am not the one who made a bunch of completely spurious claims and then Googled "nutrients you can't get from plants' and pasted the first result without reading it.

That's you.

Obviously I didn't say that.

I thought as much.

Have a good day.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't.

How have I stayed so healthy for 40 years? You know what I eat better than me then? I am not consuming animal matter. The only essential I need because of my diet is iodone and it's from a vegan product. Care to name the 7 I lack? (hint- there aren't any).

I'm happy for your good health.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Obviously I didn't say that.

I thought as much.

Have a good day.

Wow. You're actually going to pretend you won.

Please never change, TH. I love you so much.

 

[shunyadragon]

The NHS website does not break it down to that level. I simply mean it is covered as an option. If it was unhealthy then it would be advised so, but it is not.

That is problem without more details. Of course it is an option, but this is incomplete.

I believe what is more important is developing a world diet that meets the needs of an evironmently sound and energy efficient. At present we cannot maintain high energy requirements and increase in meat production in proportion to vegetable based food production

 

[Quagmire]

Literally, this source you've provided doesn't agree with you. Of the 7 it lists, none of them are impossible for vegetarians or vegans to consume (it literally lists the vegan or vegetarian sources in many cases), or it says they're explicitly non-essential.

Did you even read it?

UPDATE: This is literally the top result when I Googled "nutrients you can't get from plants". Real great research.

In this context 'non-essential' just means you won't die without it.

It doesn't mean skipping them is a good idea.

 

[Vinayaka]

From what some people write and believe about vegetarianism, I am obviously dead. And here I thought I was alive. Oh well.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Do you have any idea how many crops are grown just to feed one deer or cow?

I mean, if your argument is genuinely a numbers game...

Crops are grown to feed wild deer? Not on purpose!
And that cow can be raised on grass and hay, you know. Anyway if you are gonna be consistent as a vegetarian, you should only eat food that doesn't kill anything in production. If that actually exists.

 

[VoidCat]

From what some people write and believe about vegetarianism, I am obviously dead. And here I thought I was alive. Oh well.

Ahhhhh zombie!!!! *runs away*