Why Was Jesus Necessary?

[Muffled]

Yet... to anyone with an extensive, high quality education?

If they live long enough, they eventually become an ex-believer.

This trend can be demonstrated time and time again.

Why? Why is your god so inept, that it does not know what it would take to be ... CONVINCING to a rational, adult mind?

I believe I have been a Christian for 47 years and a nominal Christian before that and I am now 76 years old so I suppose I have lived long enough to have my faith grow even stronger with increased knowledge and experience.

I believe there are few people as rational as me. Of course that is the way God made me.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I believe I agree. This is what the Book of Revelations says: Rev. 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.3 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places...

I believe that means asteroids or a big one blown up in pieces. Science predicts an asteroid big enough would burn up the oxygen in the atmosphere which is what appears v 14 is talking about. An asteroid hitting a tectonic juncture would break the mantle and probably would have global results.

Okay. However-- this statement is false: "Science predicts an asteroid big enough would burn up the oxygen in the atmosphere"

That is an impossible thing. Cannot happen. Oxygen does not "burn up"-- it is what *enables* the burning of *other* materials.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I believe I have been a Christian for 47 years and a nominal Christian before that and I am now 76 years old so I suppose I have lived long enough to have my faith grow even stronger with increased knowledge and experience.

I believe there are few people as rational as me. Of course that is the way God made me.

Well, if you lived to 150 or 200 or 250 and continued to get an education? (and by education, I absolutely discount wallowing in theism-- that's feeding the dragon/delusion, not increasing your education)

As I said, most folk don't live long enough, nor continue their education.

 

[1robin]

If I may say, did you ever give it any thought, that those in Israel are not all of Israel.
Romans 9:6---"Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel"

What this means is, that not all of them that claim to be Israel are of Israel.

Alot of people don't know this either, That in Israel there are only 2 tribes left in Israel.
The tribe of Israel and the tribe of Judah.
The other 10 tribes are scattered throughout the world.
This is why James wrote in his book of James 1:1--"To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad greeting"

So not all the tribes are still in Israel, this why it is written, ( For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel) they that are there in Israel, are not true Jews.
This is why Christ Jesus said in the book of Revelation 2:9--( I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but the synagogue of Satan)

You see those over in Israel, which say they are Jews, but are not, true Jews.

These are those, who call themselves Jews and are not true Jews, these are those which Christ Jesus was dealing with back while he was here on Earth.
These are those false Jews, who cried out to crucify Christ Jesus.

( For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel)

Sorry everyone @Polymath257, @shunyadragon, @IndigoChild5559, @viole, @Faithofchristian, @Audie, @Muffled, @Hockeycowboy, @Skwim, @Miracle, and @Riders, etc... due to person circumstances beyond my control I won't be able to continue debating. Its been fun, God Bless.

 

[Skwim]

Sorry everyone @Polymath257, @shunyadragon, @IndigoChild5559, @viole, @Faithofchristian, @Audie, @Muffled, @Hockeycowboy, @Skwim, @Miracle, and @Riders, etc... due to person circumstances beyond my control I won't be able to continue debating. Its been fun, God Bless.

Take care. It's been fun.

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[shunyadragon]

The sacrifice of every Manifestation of God is to be born, live, suffer, and die a human life to bring the Revelation form God to humanity. The death is the release to the nearness to God.

 

[Desert Snake]

Jesus is the Sun of God.

Jesus came to the House of Israel, and said, Behold! The Covenant of Faith, is here, again! No longer, will they persecute, the Israelites, that did no servive to the idols! No longer, will the law, which is an added curse, burden our souls, and curse the godly!

 

[Desert Snake]

That was probably necessary

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Thats always been puzzling to me. Because he is god, the concept of human sacrifice is excused. Even hearing that puts me at awe. No one has explained it other than saying -but hes god-

Last time I checked, he was, according to Christians, truly God and truly man (I disagree, but whatever). *IF* Christians do in fact believe he is truly man, then they really need to explain away the problem of human sacrifice. It doesn't go away by saying he is God as well.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No longer, will the law, which is an added curse, burden our souls, and curse the godly!

How can you read Psalm 19 and say the Law is a curse?

8 The law of the Lord is perfect, restoring the soul; the testimony of the Lord is faithful, making the simple one wise.
9 The orders of the Lord are upright, causing the heart to rejoice; the commandment of the Lord is clear, enlightening the eyes.
10 The fear of the Lord is pure, existing forever; the judgments of the Lord are true, altogether just.
11 They are to be desired more than gold, yea more than much fine gold, and are sweeter than honey and drippings of honeycombs.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Sorry everyone @Polymath257, @shunyadragon, @IndigoChild5559, @viole, @Faithofchristian, @Audie, @Muffled, @Hockeycowboy, @Skwim, @Miracle, and @Riders, etc... due to person circumstances beyond my control I won't be able to continue debating. Its been fun, God Bless.

Wish you all the best! Take care. We’ll miss ya.

 

[Desert Snake]

The sacrifice isn't literal, for everyone. JESUS is a GOD, and the sacrifice is for those who worship Him, as a GOD.

JESUS's human form is mystical, and people percieved Him as fully human, even though He was doing things, that no human can do.
JESUS was always a God, hence the worship as He was in Israel. JESUS went elsewhere, in His God form, and this is why He left Israel, after the ascencion.

The baptism by Jesus is completely different from the baptism, for redemption, and this is noted many times in the NT.

There is no baptism parallel in the churches, and they simply inquire, or in the name of, to symbolize the actual baptism, by Jesus, which may or may not occur, at time of church baptism.

As a God, JESUS is beyond historical apologetics and speculation, and that is where the churches and such encounter most of their contradictions, so forth.

The cross is a symbol used for the followers of JESUS, and is not actually representive of the crucifixion, because previous to the crucifixion, JESUS said take up your cross, to His followers. This was a symbol, not a metaphor of crucifixion. That is why the 'empty cross', is the most traditional cross for JESUS followers.

Last time I checked, he was, according to Christians, truly God and truly man (I disagree, but whatever). *IF* Christians do in fact believe he is truly man, then they really need to explain away the problem of human sacrifice. It doesn't go away by saying he is God as well.

What I wrote, there, is a non'literal Sacrifice perspective.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

JESUS's human form is mystical, and people percieved Him as fully human,

I'm so sorry. I completely misunderstood. I know that you are a follower of Jesus. But I jumped to the conclusion that you were a Christian. I'm still not sure what you are. But at least I am corrected in this regard. Again, my apologies.

 

[Desert Snake]

Delineation, really,

I'm so sorry. I completely misunderstood. I know that you are a follower of Jesus. But I jumped to the conclusion that you were a Christian. I'm still not sure what you are. But at least I am corrected in this regard. Again, my apologies.

Not a problem, just noting variation there

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Jesus is the Sun of God.

So. Jesus was created on the 4th day, then?

 

[Faithofchristian]

So. Jesus was created on the 4th day, then?

Wrong, Jesus was never created. Jesus has no beginning or end.

Mary was only a means in which Jesus could come here in the body of flesh and blood.
The same with you and everyone else.
Your mother was the means by which you could be born here in this world of flesh and blood.
So before this, you were a spirit being, and came to born in this world of flesh and blood.
So at your death, your body of flesh and blood will return back to the earth and your spirit will return back to God who gave it.

 

[Paula Eilene]

You're absolutely right. The god of the Bible doesn't come off as compassionate in the least.

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The Gd of the Bible says to repent and He will forgive, He looks on human sacrifice as an abomination, the promised Biblical Moshiach dies for no one, he takes away no one's sins, he will be a man Gd usescas an instrument of His Will, just as He used Moses.

 

[Skwim]

The Gd of the Bible says to repent and He will forgive,

And for all those who don't know about the Repent-Get-Out-Of-Hell-Free card, they're kind of up the creek.

He looks on human sacrifice as an abomination,

Really.

Genesis 22:2
Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

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[Miracle]

Genesis 22:2
Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

I am confused as to what the problem is.....

 

[Skwim]

I am confused as to what the problem is.....

No problem

Paula Eilene said: "[God] looks on human sacrifice as an abomination."
In effect, I said, no he doesn't, by citing Genesis 22:2

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