Why was Lamaism renamed to Tibetan Buddhism by scientists?

[ancalimon]

It seems weird. Do some people try to hide Turkic culture? It is a continuation of Tengri or Alla of Tengrism. Why is the name discredited? How do scientists discredit a name which Tibetans used and eliminate it completely from scientific language? Does it sound normal to you? There is something fishy going on in the world.

 

[Valjean]

Scientists renamed it? I missed the news, and how does Turc
kic culture fit in?,

 

[DadBurnett]

Hey ... how about citing a source for your allegations?

 

[Zephyr]

Why are scientists talking about Buddhism?

 

[Smoke]

It seems weird. Do some people try to hide Turkic culture? It is a continuation of Tengri or Alla of Tengrism. Why is the name discredited? How do scientists discredit a name which Tibetans used and eliminate it completely from scientific language? Does it sound normal to you? There is something fishy going on in the world.

There is something fishy going on in this OP.

 

[Andal]

It seems weird. Do some people try to hide Turkic culture? It is a continuation of Tengri or Alla of Tengrism. Why is the name discredited? How do scientists discredit a name which Tibetans used and eliminate it completely from scientific language? Does it sound normal to you? There is something fishy going on in the world.

Scientists didn't rename anything. Both the names, Lamaism and Tibetan Buddhism are made up western names. The name of this branch of Buddhism is Vajrayana or the Diamond Vehicle. It doesn't just exist in Tibet but has traditions in India, Nepal, China, Mongolia, and Russia. The tradition is broken down into 4 main lineages, Nyingma, Kagyu, Sakya, and Gelug.

Lamaism is a term that became popular in the late 1800's because Vajrayana has line of gurus or lamas. Calling it lamaism though is no more proper than calling Hinduism, guruism. Tibetan Buddhism has become a more popular name today because this tradition has a strong history and presense in Tibet but as I mentioned above, it is not limited to that country.

 

[ancalimon]

Check out the book by Murad Adji

The Turki and the World: The Secret Story

You can find it if you search History Of Turks V-3 in scribd dott comm. It's free.

Sorry for the long copy & paste from the book.

Having disguised the history of Altaic Turki, Russian authorities thus stalemated world
science and even recognized scientists were making mistakes – they had a bad “compass” on
their way – they didn’t know that belief in Heavenly God came to Tibet and Hindustan from
Altai – it originated and had its deep roots there.

Being not sufficiently familiarized with events, scientists neglected certain important
facts. For instance, the fact that native Tibetans and Indians called themselves “non-Arians”
thus emphasizing that not they came from the North. The fact is indicative, it was written in a
legend! It is confirmed by another fact that is also disregarded: the word “Arian” is
concordant with the ancient Turkic word “aryg” (pure, sacred, noble)… Much has been said
about it in Indian legends, but Turcologists and Orientalists have always disregarded these
facts; they were not interesting for scientists.

Lamaism, the northern branch of Buddhism, remained in Tibet. That is another reserve
of the eastern culture! It appeared much later. Its foundations were laid in the I century at the
IV Buddhist Council by Altaic Turki, the tsar Kanishka referred to below was honored to
approve the new belief. Not only Altai, but also Mongolia, Buryatia, Kalmykia, Tuva –
continuous keepers of that religion – still remember him.

That wasn’t by chance that Buddhist pilgrims came there – to Altai, to the Central Asia
– on order to “make progress in belief and obtain sacred texts” – that’s how pilgrims from
China determined their goals in 260. The word “obtain” should be noted – it meant to get
paper – kagit – as it was called then.

For a Turkologist Lamaism is interested due to the fact that it retained customs
deriving from Altaic ceremonies. It also knows the immortal name of Tengri. It is obvious that
eastern religion is a unique relict of spiritual culture of humankind. It is the branch of “Hanif
belief”, it is noticeable for Monotheism but with another understanding of the highest image
remaining within the frames of Buddhism.

● In Lamaism there is no God, Creator or Supreme Being. As far as we know, the cult
of Buddha and bodhisattvas was formed there. Maytreya (Maydar, Maydari) plays a special
part there – the only bodhisattva acknowledged by all schools of Buddhism. As the Turki were
moving, worship of Maytreya (under the name of Mitra, Mikhra, Mhera) appeared in cultures
of nations taking shape of an independent religious cult. And that is indicative! These are the
signs of the contact of cultures that started after the Great Nations Migration.

One would think – everything is evident – here is Altai, here is Lamaism. But it was
also disregarded, which, unfortunately, is not a surprise any longer: Lamaism followed the
Turkic religion. Under the official conspiracy of politicians and the Western clergy, the term
“Lamaism” has been eliminated from European scientific language since 1970. It was secretly
forbidden. That religion was also sentenced to oblivion by the West… Nothing can be added.
Another fact to swallow like bitter medicine and wince.

… Altai, the same as the image of Tengri, had not been forgotten in India for a long
time – until western colonizers came. Is that by chance that Buddha is still depicted with blue
(“Arian”, as the Indians will say) eyes? Isn't it a backwash of forgotten happenings? For
instance, those connected with unknown people that came from the North. Because the
Indians called those people not only the Nagas and Arians; participants of the second and third
wave of the migration bore the names of Saks, Shaks, Shakies. They were also the Altaians:
with blue eyes, red hair and fair skin, they also rode horses and wore the same clothes, they
had the same traditions and culture… Is it another coincidence?

........

Another thing is also interesting – native Indians called Buddha Shakyamuni, which
literally means “Turkic god”. And the Turki called him Tanghri Burkhan, i.e. Tengri's
Messenger. That’s why he is still drawn with blue eyes, the same as all other Turki. They
don’t know another Altaic appearance there. In Nepal, near Rummindei, there is a column
where the name of the founder of Buddhism is carved – the name of a human being from
Shakya family who came from the North.

The column was raised in the III century B.C. It marks the place where Buddha
Shakyamuni, “the sage from Shakya family” or “the Turkic God” was born.

The tsar Kanishka accompanied Buddha's image on coins by the inscriptions
“Sakamano Boddho” and “Bogo Boddho”. The first inscription emphasized the belonging of
Buddha to the Turki and the second is translated as “God Buddha”. That is to say that starting
from the I century he was identified with Tengri, which was logical for the Northern
Hindustan and Middle East that were absorbing the Altaic culture.

Much is in common between the belief in Tengri and the belief in Buddha, but at the
same time there are many differences. It is natural and not accidental.

Buddha's ash was buried under a barrow (dagoba) on a crossing according to the last
will of the Master and a Turkic tradition. So that any stranger could pay tribute to him and
have an opportunity to be born in heavens in the next life. (By the way, the word “dagoba” is
translated from Sanskrit as “ground barrow”). In that barrow there was a camera to store
relics. The barrow itself was girded by a road for a solemn clockwise walk (posolon)… These
are the facts speaking for themselves. But they also give rise to certain thoughts.

Why aren’t there any Buddhists in India – the native land of Buddhism?

The situation is unexpected and it is unlikely to explain it not knowing a changeable
and sometimes contentious Turkic temper. The decline of Buddhism started in the Middle
Ages when the sultan Makhmud Gaznevi came to the Hindustan and strengthened Islam there
– millions of people again returned to classic Monotheism having become Moslems. The rest
turned to Hinduism having brought Buddhist traditions into it – thus they were called “Hindu
Buddhists”.

However there were those who remembered the belief of their ancestors – Tengri. Not
less than fifty million people live with that “old new” belief in Heavenly God in India. They
are neither Buddhists, neither Moslems, nor Christians. They have other ceremonies, other
symbols, they recognize Tengri's equilateral cross and not Christ's cross. Are they Hanifs? The
Western Church calls them Christians of St. Thomas“, “Arians”, “Nestorians”; it has been
desperately trying to convert them since the XIV century. In 1775, for instance, in Rome they
published “Catholicized” service books of “the Christians of St. Thomas” – that forgery was
primarily for the Indians. But they failed.

Colonial seizure of Hindustan did not help break the spirit of the people. The
colonizers, having approved of inquisition, buried Indian clergymen and ancient service
books. They killed parishioners. Later Catholics were changed by Anglican clergymen –
they’ve also done a good job. As a result much has been lost from former history of the
Hanifs and their ceremonies. But not everything.

....

Buddha's followers convened the Council IV in Kashmir – they accepted Tengri and
his teaching there, which enriched spiritual world of the East with Mahayana – the new
philosophy. Today that is one of the basic branches of Buddhism. It is about the unity of the
world, its harmony, compassion and mutual help, human ideals, appetence and surroundings.
That is what the Turkic tsar taught his people; that is what Altaic belief was about.

Those good wishes were reflected in the text minted on copper plates – they remain
the relics of Buddhism for a billion of believers in China, Mongolia, Japan, Tibet and Siberia.
They, those plates, or the Council IV to put it more preciously, gave rise to a new branch of
Buddhism – the northern branch – that was called “Lamaism”.

… Thus the arrival of the Turki gave the second birth to Hindustan and the Middle
East; it gave them a new life. The life with Heavenly God.

 

[ancalimon]

Also think about what China did to Tibet and why nobody does anything. Go and see what they are doing to Uyghur. Not from the TV but actually physically being there to see the truth.

If you can try to see inside the Great White Pyramid which is world's biggest one.

 

[Smoke]

Another thing is also interesting – native Indians called Buddha Shakyamuni, which literally means “Turkic god”.

Right, and the Anglo-Saxons are the True Israel.

 

[ancalimon]

Buddha Shakyamuni is the leader of a ruling Saka family.

 

[Smoke]

Buddha Shakyamuni is the leader of a ruling Saka family.

I understand that Shakyamuni was a Shakya. So what? To claim that Shakyamuni literally means "Turkic god" is simply false. If there is any sense whatever in which Shakyamuni means "Turkic god" -- and that's a big if -- it's certainly not a literal sense.

 

[ancalimon]

Better yet read from the authors website the most revised version of his books in English.

adji dott ru

the books are called:
THE KIPCHAKS

An Ancient History of the Turkic People and the Great Steppe
A Handbook for Schoolchildren and Their Parents

Moscow​

This book is about the Turkic people, from its rise in the Altai Mountains and its spillover to the rest of the Eurasian continent. The touching narrative and thrilling legends relate about little-known facts of world history and the life as it really was for the ancient Turkis, their contribution to human civilization, their victories and setbacks. Nothing like this book has ever been published anywhere around the world.

THE KIPCHAKS and THE OGUZ

A Medieval History of the Turkic People and the Great Steppe
A Handbook for Schoolchildren and Their Parents

Moscow​

This is the second volume of the book about the Turkic people, from its rise in the Altai Mountains and its spillover to the rest of the Eurasian continent. The touching narrative and thrilling legends relate about little-known facts of world history and the life as it really was for the Turkis in the Middle Ages, their contribution to human civilization, their victories and setbacks. Nothing like this book has ever been published anywhere around the world.

 

[Engyo]

I understand that Shakyamuni was a Shakya. So what? To claim that Shakyamuni literally means "Turkic god" is simply false. If there is any sense whatever in which Shakyamuni means "Turkic god" -- and that's a big if -- it's certainly not a literal sense.

To the best of my knowledge, Sakyamuni means Sage (muni) of the Sakya clan. Conflating that to Turkic God seems a bit of a stretch, at least to me.