Why Western nations should not donate to the third world

[VioletVortex]

Alright, a little history lesson here. Decades ago, Christian missionaries began providing those in poor countries with food, clothing, and medical supplies as a vehicle through which to promote their religion. They were essentially trying to coerce them into converting to Christianity. In this respect, they were met with an unsettling amount of success, but let's look deeper.

Historically, Africa (and other third world lands for that matter) has not been an agrarian region. Originally, the only agrarian peoples in the world were those of the Middle East. Third world countries are undeveloped for a reason-the soil is not very fertile, and they are lacking in natural resources. When these missionaries began spreading "compassion" into Africa, they gave the people a surplus, and thus their populations grew to such an amount that their hunter-gatherer lifestyles could no longer support them. Obviously, they began farming, but even then they couldn't provide enough food, and another wave of starvation ensued.

To worsen the problem, other foreign aid programs began exploiting pictures of starving children as propaganda to encourage those in Western countries to donate more money. The population again grew, and they needed to farm the land more extensively, and they ended up depleting the soil almost completely of the already low supply of nutrients it contained.

See the pattern here? If you disagree, explain.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You really don't know much Africa. African tribes lived a variety of lifestyles - pastorialist, agarian, urban, etc. (Yes, black people built cities and had empires! OMG!) The reason why there were famines is due to conflict in the post-colonial world. Dictators and fighting over African land's rich resources, such as diamonds. It wasn't because the people were too stupid to feed themselves! The population is booming for a variety of reasons, including religious, cultural, conflict and lack of information and access to reproductive health resources. There's also a lot of conspiracy theories in some areas against Western medicine due to mistrust. This can only be changed by working together more to dispel misinformation and disinformation.

 

[RedDragon94]

Alright, a little history lesson here. Decades ago, Christian missionaries began providing those in poor countries with food, clothing, and medical supplies as a vehicle through which to promote their religion. They were essentially trying to coerce them into converting to Christianity. In this respect, they were met with an unsettling amount of success, but let's look deeper.

Historically, Africa (and other third world lands for that matter) has not been an agrarian region. Originally, the only agrarian peoples in the world were those of the Middle East. Third world countries are undeveloped for a reason-the soil is not very fertile, and they are lacking in natural resources. When these missionaries began spreading "compassion" into Africa, they gave the people a surplus, and thus their populations grew to such an amount that their hunter-gatherer lifestyles could no longer support them. Obviously, they began farming, but even then they couldn't provide enough food, and another wave of starvation ensued.

To worsen the problem, other foreign aid programs began exploiting pictures of starving children as propaganda to encourage those in Western countries to donate more money. The population again grew, and they needed to farm the land more extensively, and they ended up depleting the soil almost completely of the already low supply of nutrients it contained.

See the pattern here? If you disagree, explain.

You got a point. I think another major issue in that part of the world is the government takes advantage of people too through corruption. My theory is that this is why political wars occur in Africa. I could be wrong. But if there were a rebellion in African countries maybe then we'd see some sustainable development.

You really don't know much Africa. African tribes lived a variety of lifestyles - pastorialist, agarian, urban, etc. (Yes, black people built cities and had empires! OMG!) The reason why there were famines is due to conflict in the post-colonial world. Dictators and fighting over African land's rich resources, such as diamonds. It wasn't because the people were too stupid to feed themselves! The population is booming for a variety of reasons, including religious, cultural, conflict and lack of information and access to reproductive health resources.

I don't think he's trying to diss anybody. If I'm wrong show me how.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't think he's trying to diss anybody. If I'm wrong show me how

I know him pretty well. It sounds like social Darwinist Malthusian nonsense in a way, as well. A lot of Westerners are presented a one-sided racist view of Africa as a continent and are too ignorant to really speak on it. Africa is a really huge and diverse continent, for one, not a country or a state. So we shouldn't speak of it like it's all the same.

 

[Nakosis]

Alright, a little history lesson here. Decades ago, Christian missionaries began providing those in poor countries with food, clothing, and medical supplies as a vehicle through which to promote their religion. They were essentially trying to coerce them into converting to Christianity. In this respect, they were met with an unsettling amount of success, but let's look deeper.

Historically, Africa (and other third world lands for that matter) has not been an agrarian region. Originally, the only agrarian peoples in the world were those of the Middle East. Third world countries are undeveloped for a reason-the soil is not very fertile, and they are lacking in natural resources. When these missionaries began spreading "compassion" into Africa, they gave the people a surplus, and thus their populations grew to such an amount that their hunter-gatherer lifestyles could no longer support them. Obviously, they began farming, but even then they couldn't provide enough food, and another wave of starvation ensued.

To worsen the problem, other foreign aid programs began exploiting pictures of starving children as propaganda to encourage those in Western countries to donate more money. The population again grew, and they needed to farm the land more extensively, and they ended up depleting the soil almost completely of the already low supply of nutrients it contained.

See the pattern here? If you disagree, explain.

Causes of Hunger in Africa
1. Lack of Infrastructure
Many of the African countries in which there is widespread hunger are countries in which there is also plenty of food. Agriculture is the leading economic industry in several of the hungriest African nations including Niger, Ethiopia and Somalia.

The issue is not that there is a lack of food, the issue is that there are are often no reliable pathways for getting that food from the fields into that hands of the people who need it the most. Many hungry countries lack accessible rural roads on which food could be transported into the countryside.

Where it does not already exist, building the infrastructure necessary for distributing food is essential to ending hunger in Africa.
What Causes Hunger in Africa? - The Borgen Project

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Alright, a little history lesson here.

Well I've lived here in Africa all my life. So lets get to the facts.
Christianity existed in Ethiopia before it was in Europe.
The Ethiopians had built wonderous stone churches (for eg)
at Lalibela when westerners will mostly still slaughtering one another
due to many of the problems projected towards Africa in the opening post.

I agree that donations are bad for Africa; as they mostly are embezzled
and used as bribes which inflate the local currency and cheapen the
local African produce which is often propping up the false values
in the exchange rates. Let me explain how bad this can get.

When I first visited London I worked out that 6 tiny triangles of pineapple
that were place on my pizza, would back home buy me a box of 20 pineapples.
So actually, we're subsidizing YOU. And when the bubble bursts you gonna know all about it.

What westerners do not really get about Africa, is that diversity and freedom
flourishes here more than anywhere else in the world. Western countries
are all about monopolies of power, and homogenization of economies.

Africa has always been closer to the pure message of Christ, than the west.

 

[VioletVortex]

I know him pretty well. It sounds like social Darwinist Malthusian nonsense in a way, as well. A lot of Westerners are presented a one-sided racist view of Africa as a continent and are too ignorant to really speak on it. Africa is a really huge and diverse continent, for one, not a country or a state. So we shouldn't speak of it like it's all the same.

No, I wasn't trying to diss anybody. Well, actually I was-those people who probably take some of the donated money "for their own good". Foreign aid has been around for decades and it hasn't helped anyone, so what do those collecting these donations think they are doing?

I think you are right that many people who might say what I said are saying that due to having racist views (either they are looking to justify the starvation of these people, or they just don't want to help them), but I want the situations in third world countries to improve. You have to understand that these countries have the highest birthrates in the world, and that coupled with the limited resources in these countries is an obvious problem.

I agree that the image of Africa in Western media is very one dimensional, but a lot of the continent is desert and large portion of it is jungle. I feel that what I said about agriculture applies to the whole world. Nowhere was the soil meant to undergo what farmers do with it today. When you repeatedly grow a certain crop on a given area of land, the soil with get depleted.

Do you think that foreign aid will help dig Africa out of its current problems? I don't see how it will.

 

[VioletVortex]

Well I've lived here in Africa all my life. So lets get to the facts.
Christianity existed in Ethiopia before it was in Europe.
The Ethiopians had built wonderous stone churches (for eg)
at Lalibela when westerners will mostly still slaughtering one another
due to many of the problems projected towards Africa in the opening post.

I agree that donations are bad for Africa; as they mostly are embezzled
and used as bribes which inflate the local currency and cheapen the
local African produce which is often propping up the false values
in the exchange rates. Let me explain how bad this can get.

When I first visited London I worked out that 6 tiny triangles of pineapple
that were place on my pizza, would back home buy me a box of 20 pineapples.
So actually, we're subsidizing YOU. And when the bubble bursts you gonna know all about it.

What westerners do not really get about Africa, is that diversity and freedom
flourishes here more than anywhere else in the world. Western countries
are all about monopolies of power, and homogenization of economies.

Africa has always been closer to the pure message of Christ, than the west.

Your last statement is true if by "West" you mean Western Christendom. The Christians themselves killed millions upon millions of Europeans, Native Americans, Turks, Jews, and probably Africans as well, from the Middle Ages up until the 19th century.

 

[Corvus]

Africa has always been closer to the pure message of Christ, than the west.

Africa is welcome to Christianity. Thankfully it is on the wane in Europe. Not that I wish Christianity on Africa, I am sure we will all outgrow religion one day. In the meantime, Africa would best be helped by being released from the huge debt burden it has. Africa is rich in natural resources and the reasons for income disparity in African nations are not as mindlessly simplistic as the Op appears to think. There are many reasons, aside from debt burdens, including wholesale exploitation by multinationals, tinpot rulers, war and instability, and other contributing factors. I am sickened by what I read on certain OPs like this one.

 

[Corvus]

Foreign aid may be spent inappropriately, but that is no reason to blame/punish those who should be in receipt of it. On humanitarian grounds. That is simply mindless.

 

[Kemosloby]

Need only watch Star Trek, the original series to know how the game is played. Their mission, or the missionaries posing as Christians is to get their foot in the door, so the Federation (NWO) can exploit their natural resources, especially dilithium crystals. Arming warlords is part of the protection racket, much like on Star Trek people would rather make a deal the the Federation than have Klingon oppression.

 

[Corvus]

Nigeria for example, one of the largest oil producers in the world, their population, mostly poor, it doesn't take a genius to work out why. Follow the money.

 

[metis]

See the pattern here? If you disagree, explain.

Religious Forums is a religious website, and one of the mandates found pretty much in each religion is the mandate to try and help those who may not be able to help themselves. So, are you suggesting we just ignore the plight of others and just let them suffer and die?

 

[Lyndon]

Religious Forums is a religious website, and one of the mandates found pretty much in each religion is the mandate to try and help those who may not be able to help themselves. So, are you suggesting we just ignore the plight of others and just let them suffer and die?

That would appear to be the Luciferian perspective, pretty heartless stuff IMHO.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That would appear to be the Luciferian perspective, pretty heartless stuff IMHO.

No, it is not the "Luciferian perspective".

 

[Lyndon]

From my understanding, Luciferianism, Satanism are essentially based on selfishness, so its no wonder they would be against helping people in other countries.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

From my understanding, Luciferianism, Satanism are essentially based on selfishness, so its no wonder they would be against helping people in other countries.

Luciferianism and Satanism aren't necessarily the same things and there's a wide diversity of views within each.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

and they are lacking in natural resources.

Why should I take your position seriously? Africa is loaded with rare and very pricey natural resources. Diamonds, for example, are notorious for coming from African mines that are owned and operated by some rather nasty people, "work supervisors" may include armed guards, and some people may even have died in the process of filling jewelry stores with diamonds, mostly those who mine them.
There are also many suitable lands throughout, and I'm assuming you are unaware how life of ancient Egypt revolved around the Nile, including agriculture.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

From my understanding, Luciferianism, Satanism are essentially based on selfishness, so its no wonder they would be against helping people in other countries.

LeVay Satanism, yes, but that is hardly the only form of Satanism, and indeed there are Satanists and Luciferians who promote more collectivist ideals.

 

[SabahTheLoner]

Um.... explain then how we get empires from Africa with kings and gold and stuff like that... like the Mali empire.

7 Medieval African Kingdoms Everyone Should Know About - Atlanta Black Star

And... Kenyans traded with Arabs and Indians via sea ports before the British came. It's even evident in the language they speak. And they traded like, metals. Explain how a hunter-gatherer society can trade metal?

History of Kenya from Pre-colonial Period to Today - Kenya History