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[Spirit of Light]

Why is there so little talk about moral action speech and thoughts?
Moral value is a larger part of spiritual life, is it not?

 

[Jim]

Why is there so little talk about moral action speech and thoughts?
Moral value is a larger part of spiritual life, is it not?

I might like to do that with you. Have you been trying to do that in these forums? If so, where? I’ll look for it myself, but I might miss something. Otherwise, are you volunteering to do that with someone? Can you give me some examples of what you might talk about?

 

[Shantanu]

Why is there so little talk about moral action speech and thoughts?
Moral value is a larger part of spiritual life, is it not?

Please let us know why we should have faith in Buddha morality or any other human being constructed morality, rather than just live out our natural lives based upon our Consciousness which tells us how to survive and live a full life until we die a natural death.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I might like to do that with you. Have you been trying to do that in these forums? If so, where? I’ll look for it myself, but I might miss something. Otherwise, are you volunteering to do that with someone? Can you give me some examples of what you might talk about?

Well all i try to say in here has to do with spiritual life and study the teachings of religious paths.
And i noticed specially when it come to speak about other peoples religious belief, it is a lot of negativity toward some religions. As a cultivator of buddha dharma i try to give everyone understanding of that there is not only one righterous path, but one must follow only one teaching at the time.

other topics can be why do people fight

 

[Spirit of Light]

Please let us know why we should have faith in Buddha morality or any other human being constructed morality, rather than just live out our natural lives based upon our Consciousness which tells us how to survive and live a full life until we die a natural death.

I dont say youmust follow buddha. what i try to get answer to is why the word moral create so muh tension

 

[Shadow Wolf]

New Why is there so little talk about moral action speech and thoughts?

I think that question can be further broken down to "why is there so little thought?" We talk a lot, but say little. We do many actions, but they are trivial gestures. We say we value being smart, but we bully the reader. We make our flesh drunk, we fetishistically pursue any religion or spiritual path we think we find fulfillment in, but we neglect our minds. And the rigors of moral and ethical considerations are too great for the mind that is out of shape. Philosophically and intellectually, society is filled with many infants who can barely crawl and there are few capable of running with any competence. And we're scared of it, and will swear and insist this person who knows that person went insane from becoming "too smart."

Moral value is a larger part of spiritual life, is it not?

It is necessarily a larger part of social life. Spiritual life if you want to attach the two.

 

[Shantanu]

I dont say youmust follow buddha. what i try to get answer to is why the word moral create so muh tension

Every country of the world imposes its State-spelt out morality for its citizens to follow. Frequently these come in conflict to religion-spelt out morality. The difference is whereas the State can impose sanctions on the individual by incarcerating the dissention voices and fining them as well as other means of persecution, there is no one to punish the individual if he fails to adhere to moral values imposed by religion except the threat of excommunication and promises of eternal hell for the sinners. Both are forms of imposition that takes away a person's liberty to live as he likes.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Every country of the world imposes its State-spelt out morality for its citizens to follow. Frequently these come in conflict to religion-spelt out morality. The difference is whereas the State can impose sanctions on the individual by incarcerating the dissention voices and fining them as well as other means of persecution, there is no one to punish the individual if he fails to adhere to moral values imposed by religion except the threat of excommunication and promises of eternal hell for the sinners. Both are forms of imposition that takes away a person's liberty to live as he likes.

Actually if a person follow religious guidelines or moral code he/she will follow good enough state law too, not braking any law of the country too

 

[Shantanu]

Actually if a person follow religious guidelines or moral code he/she will follow good enough state law too, not braking any law of the country too

If the State requires human beings to work and not be a parasite on the State, and a person wishes to follow his religion instead, the State wins the war unless one is lucking in having followed dharma which protects the individual against the State.

 

[Spirit of Light]

If the State requires human beings to work and not be a parasite on the State, and a person wishes to follow his religion instead, the State wins the war unless one is lucking in having followed dharma which protects the individual against the State.

That has not happend to me, and i have no bad experience with the state of Norway. For the last 3 years i have dedicated my full time to cultivate buddha dharma. and i have had no trouble with community or state.

 

[Shantanu]

That has not happend to me, and i have no bad experience with the state of Norway. For the last 3 years i have dedicated my full time to cultivate buddha dharma. and i have had no trouble with community or state.

Then your dharma has protected you, as it has protected me so I am free not to do any 'slave' work for the State and I am just able to pass my time online posting religious messages to the world to give me pleasure that I am following a religion instead of the State. Do you think that this protection you have received in having a very good life with pleasurable things was accidental or something more profound than that? Did Buddha dharma protect you and enable you to live your lifestyle, in other words?

 

[Jim]

Well all i try to say in here has to do with spiritual life and study the teachings of religious paths.
And i noticed specially when it come to speak about other peoples religious belief, it is a lot of negativity toward some religions. As a cultivator of buddha dharma i try to give everyone understanding of that there is not only one righterous path, but one must follow only one teaching at the time.

other topics can be why do people fight

Can you put it in terms of what you would like to see people doing more, in their conversations? From what you said in the first post, I thought that you would like to see people talking more about moral action, speech, and thoughts. If so, is there a way that I can have a conversation like that with you, here or in some other thread where you’ve posted, so I can understand better what you mean by it? Also, can we discuss possible ways that you and I can practice and promote that?

I’m interested in why you think that one must follow only one teaching at a time. I don’t see that at all.

What possible benefit do you see in discussing why people fight? If it’s to help stop the fighting, can we start by discussing what you and I have been doing and hoping to do about that?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Then your dharma has protected you, as it has protected me so I am free not to do any 'slave' work for the State and I am just able to pass my time online posting religious messages to the world to give me pleasure that I am following a religion instead of the State. Do you think that this protection you have received in having a very good life with pleasurable things was accidental or something more profound than that? Did Buddha dharma protect you and enable you to live your lifestyle, in other words?

Dharma always protect, but it aso teach to endure the hardships, to not run away from tham, but embrace them and understand why the suffering occure. Why does it feel bad if state want you to do something, why does state want us to do as they say? Control of the people. But when you do like spiritual path the system of the state can not hurt you after some time. But that in my experiences is more to do with the cultivation of dharma then it is about the state lose grip of the cultivator.
The cultivator just dont bother pushing against the government, because Cultivators does not think of politics and what they think of us. To me as a Cultivator. all my effort goes to the teaching and how to gain more inner wisdom. But in the same time i help my fianceè with some issues she have with the governmental offices, then i use the dharma to stay calm and not say bad things toward the workers in the state office. only explain why and how my fianceè need help.

And in most cases everything is calm

 

[Spirit of Light]

Can you put it in terms of what you would like to see people doing more, in their conversations? From what you said in the first post, I thought that you would like to see people talking more about moral action, speech, and thoughts. If so, is there a way that I can have a conversation like that with you, here or in some other thread where you’ve posted, so I can understand better what you mean by it? Also, can we discuss possible ways that you and I can practice and promote that?

I’m interested in why you think that one must follow only one teaching at a time. I don’t see that at all.

What possible benefit do you see in discussing why people fight? If it’s to help stop the fighting, can we start by discussing what you and I have been doing and hoping to do about that?

I dont speak only about this forum, but since this is the forum we are on now i would have liked a better moral toward other people religion, so often there is people who try to trash what people belive in or practicing. What is the need for looking down at other peoples belief? why not try understanding why they belive what they do.
Yes i would like to see more threads about moral and ethics and how we as people can look at each others as same. and not try to find faults with people that disagree with us.
Yes i have said to people in discussion that they are wrong, but then it has been something that can be fact checked from example Buddhism.

The reason i say one must follow only one path at the time, is because if you mix teachings from different paths, the teachings will not give the insight and wisdom we looking for. As a buddhist i dont mix in religious beliefs from Christianity or other religions from west.
To me spiritual life is not about belief, it is about cultivating mind and body. Yes there is some belif in the beginning, but when you dedicate your life to the teachings, then it open up and you can see truth from within

 

[Workman]

Why is there so little talk about moral action speech and thoughts?
Moral value is a larger part of spiritual life, is it not?

Like I’ve always said, everything starts of within being selfish..that is the main cause of not understanding..this is why many do not wish to not follow religion..
Example..when you read something does one also think of the intentions of what is read? Thou shall not steal, thou shall love thy neighbor, thou shall help others in need...etc.
Does one understand the intentions of these? It means its trying to break ones being in selfishness..the Bible teaches in how not to be selfish. it is why many don’t believe in religions.
IMO....

 

[Spirit of Light]

Like I’ve always said, everything starts of within being selfish..that is the main cause of not understanding..this is why many do not wish to not follow religion..
Example..when you read something does one also think of the intentions of what is read? Thou shall not steal, thou shall love thy neighbor, thou shall help others in need...etc.
Does one understand the intentions of these? It means its trying to break ones being in selfishness..the Bible teaches in how not to be selfish. it is why many don’t believe in religions.
IMO....

I agree with you on this

 

[Shantanu]

Dharma always protect, but it aso teach to endure the hardships, to not run away from tham, but embrace them and understand why the suffering occure. Why does it feel bad if state want you to do something, why does state want us to do as they say? Control of the people. But when you do like spiritual path the system of the state can not hurt you after some time. But that in my experiences is more to do with the cultivation of dharma then it is about the state lose grip of the cultivator.
The cultivator just dont bother pushing against the government, because Cultivators does not think of politics and what they think of us. To me as a Cultivator. all my effort goes to the teaching and how to gain more inner wisdom. But in the same time i help my fianceè with some issues she have with the governmental offices, then i use the dharma to stay calm and not say bad things toward the workers in the state office. only explain why and how my fianceè need help.

And in most cases everything is calm

You can always say in your defence that you are a Buddhist and they will leave you alone. I say I am an advaitin and they do not leave me alone, just more persecution is meted out on me.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You can always say in your defence that you are a Buddhist and they will leave you alone. I say I am an advaitin and they do not leave me alone, just more persecution is meted out on me.

Solution can be, when they ask what you are. Answer : I am a human being the belief is your personal path. Yes i did comment on your belief a few times, and i see now it was wrong of me to do so. So i stay away from it.
But in my experience being a Buddhist cultivator in Europe is not an easy task because so few people understand the path i have chosen to follow. But i can not let others pull me down But i can use the negativity to understand even more about my self and about why others think and do as they do.

 

[Shantanu]

Solution can be, when they ask what you are. Answer : I am a human being the belief is your personal path. Yes i did comment on your belief a few times, and i see now it was wrong of me to do so. So i stay away from it.
But in my experience being a Buddhist cultivator in Europe is not an easy task because so few people understand the path i have chosen to follow. But i can not let others pull me down But i can use the negativity to understand even more about my self and about why others think and do as they do.

They have nothing to fear from a Buddhist Cultivator of Buddha Dharma because there are so few people in Norway believing in the path you have chosen. They see it as going nowhere. No one takes any notice. But for an advaitin who is an expert complainant on the State system in operation, the situation is different. I want justice. Justice means the State should come clean and apologise.

 

[Spirit of Light]

They have nothing to fear from a Buddhist Cultivator of Buddha Dharma because there are so few people in Norway believing in the path you have chosen. They see it as going nowhere. No one takes any notice. But for an advaitin who is an expert complainant on the State system in operation, the situation is different. I want justice. Justice means the State should come clean and apologise.

Is it not in the teaching of advaitin to forgive what was in the past?
I can only imagine how it would feel to not forgive, and let the frustration build up inside, to the point it get out as anger and dispear.