Will Biden Step Down?

[PureX]

Logic is dominant when there is time to evaluate an effective strategy. In times of stress this often isn't the case.

That's unfortunately true. And why we need leaders that can stay calm and think logically in the face of stress. Sadly, our leaders are often part of the cause of the stress.

 

[metis]

There have been several whistleblowers who have come forward with information related to Hunter Biden and the term “Big Guy”. Here are a few notable examples:

• Tony Bobulinski: A former business partner of Hunter Biden, Bobulinski was questioned by the FBI about an email that discussed how to cut Joe Biden in on a multi-million-dollar deal with a communist party-connected Chinese billionaire.
• Gary Shapley: An IRS agent who worked on the Hunter Biden probe, Shapley took notes during a meeting with FBI and IRS officials that appear to bolster his prior claims that the U.S. Attorney handling the case felt politically hamstrung.
• Rob Walker: An IRS whistleblower, Walker claims that Joe Biden is the “Big Guy” and that the Justice Department obstructed investigators in Delaware who wanted to look into the “Big Guy”.
• James Gilliar: A former business partner of Hunter Biden, Gilliar referred to Joe Biden as “the Big Guy” in a panicked message the same day The Post broke news of Hunter’s infamous laptop.

These whistleblowers have come forward with information that suggests Joe Biden may have been involved in Hunter Biden’s influence-peddling schemes and foreign business dealings.

And you expect us to blindly believe this? Where are the links? Where's the proof as those are allegations? You use the same disingenuous tactics even in some other areas, such as dealing with vaccines, thus it's hard to take what you post seriously much pf the time.

 

[F1fan]

Conservatives have been saying it for a long time now. There is something wrong with Biden.

Yeah. he's not a republican. Not exactly disqualifying.

Notice many republicans acknowledge many wrong things with Trump, mainly his corruption and criminal acts. And let's not ignore his stupid irrational comments and vocal failures. Trump has several screws lose, and we don;t even know who his vp is going to be. We know Harris is smart and apable to take over, who will take over from old man Trump?

We saw it in the debate and in the appearances after the debate.

Yeah, Biden having numerous trips to Europe, and a full time job, and a cold. Mmeanwhile Trump plays golf (and cheats), and slathers on his makeup, and spouts a series of outrageous lies.

We saw it before the debate, he cannot think for himself on the fly, his motor ability is impaired, more importantly his cognitive skills have declined.

Yeah, both of Biden and Trump show signs of decline. But only one is trustworthy. The other is a convicted felon.

Even many dems want him to step down. Do you really think he is running things?

No president runs the government in the way many think. It is a massive organization with many agencies that have their own leadership. The president runs a broad agenda for the administration. Trump and his cohorts of anti-freedom zealots have an agenda that is described in project 2025. Does America really want such a decline in freedom and justice with another Trump character as the USA celebrates its 250th year as a democracy? Hell no.

Biden is showing signs of decline, but the administration is running strong, and moving the economy forward with greater successes. We can trust Biden to appoint new SCOTUS justices as Alito and Thomas are aging out, and with Kagan having health problems. The USA can't afford more right wing extremists on the court, as we are seeing the negative impact of the agenda.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And you expect us to blindly believe this? Where are the links? Where's the proof as those are allegations? You use the same disingenuous tactics even in some other areas, such as dealing with vaccines, thus it's hard to take what you post seriously much pf the time.

It's from the New York Post.

 

[metis]

It's from the New York Post.

Oh, that's a reliable source.

Thanks.

 

[wellwisher]

The reason the Left media panicked after the first debate, and now why many of them want Biden to resign, is they were all caught being complacent in a conspiracy to hide the declining condition of Biden. All you had to do is listen to the main stream media, a week before the debate, still lying all together.

Now they were caught and are trying to deflect blame for not reporting this sooner. They now look stupid and crooked, which has been known for some time by objective people. It was the emperors new clothes and the debate was the little child pointing out the emperor was naked. Imagine if one went along with the cover up, and suddenly realized how dumb you were and/or now look. The five stages of grief is denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. The DNC is still at denial and anger, which summarizes the split in the DNC. Bargaining will be next. Nobody will get what they want, and then there will be depression.

The problem going forward is what else is still being hidden? The House Republicans want the tape of the Biden interview with the FBI, that led to the conclusion no jury would ever find him guilty of his classified material crimes. It reminds me of how the FBI gamed the system for Hillary Clinton, for her private server. They used the original no jury would find her guilty excuse. But innocent Trump was railroaded by the Russian Collusion; cover up the real and attack with the fake.

The DOJ is refusing to comply out of some fear. The tape may show Biden not competent to be President, while his dependence on unelected people to run the country is not Constitutional. This is a threat to Democracy. It would like an appointed DEI staff lording over a weak President, planted there by the swamp and donor class, all not chosen by the voters.The donors got the open borders and cheap labor. While like DEI in Disney and Budweiser, and maybe the Presidency, created a mess for both companies and our country.

At least with Trump you know he is in charge, which is what the founding fathers wanted. The Hunter Biden Laptop has more goodies to share and now the will of the fake news media, to help run cover, is fading at a critical time. Trump just reached 50% approval in swing states. His best strategy is to talk about his vision of a brighter future. The DNC will be stuck at denial and anger; illusions and mudslinging.

 

[Revoltingest]

In times of social stress, people tend to only trust those who look like they do or share their values. It's a form of tribalism.

Fear of THE OTHER appears to be an
evolutionary advantage to humans.
This explains its universality.
Of course, this is something worth
reining in to avoid bigotry.

 

[Revoltingest]

At least with Trump you know he is in charge, which is what the founding fathers wanted.

The founders didn't design the Constitution
to enable an imperial Presidency. Being
"in charge" is the function of a triumvirate,
ie, President, Congress, SCOTUS.
Trump's problem is seeking unconstitutional
power akin to kingship, eg, the legal right to
assassinate political rivals, to persecute news
media who oppose him, to order over-turning
an election.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Notice many republicans acknowledge many wrong things with Trump, mainly his corruption and criminal acts. And let's not ignore his stupid irrational comments and vocal failures. Trump has several screws lose, and we don;t even know who his vp is going to be. We know Harris is smart and apable to take over, who will take over from old man Trump?

Ok, What is your evidence she is smart enough and capable enough to be president?

Yeah, Biden having numerous trips to Europe, and a full time job, and a cold. Mmeanwhile Trump plays golf (and cheats), and slathers on his makeup, and spouts a series of outrageous lies.

Yeah, both of Biden and Trump show signs of decline. But only one is trustworthy. The other is a convicted felon.

They both lie. If Biden was trustworthy he would release the Hur tapes and tell us what is really going on with his health. We all deserve to know.

No president runs the government in the way many think. It is a massive organization with many agencies that have their own leadership. The president runs a broad agenda for the administration. Trump and his cohorts of anti-freedom zealots have an agenda that is described in project 2025. Does America really want such a decline in freedom and justice with another Trump character as the USA celebrates its 250th year as a democracy? Hell no.

We are not a democracy and the president is only obligated to Article II, Section 3 of the constitution.

The President’s Job According to the Constitution The U.S. Constitution contains the only official “job description” for the President of the United States. According to Article II, Sections 2 and 3, the President:
1) Is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and of each state’s militia when the nation has need of it
2) Has power to obtain information and opinions from heads of the executive departments
3) May grant pardons and reprieves for crimes against the United States
4) Makes treaties with other countries with the approval of the Senate
5) Appoints ambassadors, federal judges and heads of executive departments – all subject to the approval of the Senate; the President also has power to fill any vacancies that may happen while the Senate is in recess
6) Must report to Congress from time to time about the state of the union and recommend whatever measures he thinks are necessary
7) May call members of Congress together on extraordinary occasions, as well as adjourn their meetings when they cannot agree on their own about when to do this
8) Receives foreign ambassadors and other public officials
9) Is responsible for enforcing the nation’s laws
10) Issues commissions to all officers of the United States

https://www.jfklibrary.org/sites/default/files/2021-01/The%20President%E2%80%99s%20Job%20According%20to%20the%20Constitution.pdf

Biden is showing signs of decline, but the administration is running strong, and moving the economy forward with greater successes. We can trust Biden to appoint new SCOTUS justices as Alito and Thomas are aging out, and with Kagan having health problems. The USA can't afford more right wing extremists on the court, as we are seeing the negative impact of the agenda.

Ok, I disagree.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok, What is your evidence she is smart enough and capable enough to be president?

Are you that unaware of her history? She was successful again and again where Trump could only keep businesses running by cheating and lying. He had a casino go bankrupt under him! That takes major levels of incompetence.

They both lie. If Biden was trustworthy he would release the Hur tapes and tell us what is really going on with his health. We all deserve to know.

Yes, but Trump's lies are more frequent by about a factor of ten and also ten times worse than those of Biden.

We are not a democracy and the president is only obligated to Article II, Section 3 of the constitution.

Not according to those that founded this country. Just because there is no written rule against being a corrupt lying idiot does not mean that it is okay to be one.

The President’s Job According to the Constitution The U.S. Constitution contains the only official “job description” for the President of the United States. According to Article II, Sections 2 and 3, the President:
1) Is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and of each state’s militia when the nation has need of it
2) Has power to obtain information and opinions from heads of the executive departments
3) May grant pardons and reprieves for crimes against the United States
4) Makes treaties with other countries with the approval of the Senate
5) Appoints ambassadors, federal judges and heads of executive departments – all subject to the approval of the Senate; the President also has power to fill any vacancies that may happen while the Senate is in recess
6) Must report to Congress from time to time about the state of the union and recommend whatever measures he thinks are necessary
7) May call members of Congress together on extraordinary occasions, as well as adjourn their meetings when they cannot agree on their own about when to do this
8) Receives foreign ambassadors and other public officials
9) Is responsible for enforcing the nation’s laws
10) Issues commissions to all officers of the United States

https://www.jfklibrary.org/sites/default/files/2021-01/The%20President%E2%80%99s%20Job%20According%20to%20the%20Constitution.pdf

See above.

Ok, I disagree.

Which is why you are wrong.

 

[Ebionite]

That's unfortunately true. And why we need leaders that can stay calm and think logically in the face of stress. Sadly, our leaders are often part of the cause of the stress.

The general problem is the practice of justification by necessity, which leads to strategies based on power rather than strategies based on ethics.
Also leadership can foster hubris, and hubris can prevent a leader from abandoning bad decisions.

 

[We Never Know]

It seems that the call for Biden to step down is continuing to grow among the Democrats.

So the questions are, will he, or will he be forced out at the convention or run?
I see the first option as a remote possibility, the second as highly unlikely and the third as most likley .
In any case, including Biden running, the Democrats have problems.
Option one: Biden stepping down.
This would mean Kamala would be the most likely candidate. Kamala is not liked among most voters as seen in the primary.
However if they pick a different candidate this would not set well with voters due to the image of the Democrats being anti-democracy going against the 2020 vote of the country.
Option two: Biden being forced out.
This would exacerbate the problems in option one.
Option 3: Biden running
The consensus is that Biden would lose the election and even a possibility of suffering a landslide defeat

Of course all of the is strictly my opinion.

From what I have seen he needs to stay away from steps

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, it's not.

It is for birds however.

 

[F1fan]

Ok, What is your evidence she is smart enough and capable enough to be president?

This isn't a genuine question. You can't seriously be so oblivious to Harris and her accomplishments. If you are, why are you bothering forming any opinions about her?

They both lie.

More of your broad overgeneralizations, as if to say people who get parking tickets are as much criminals as murderers. No, Trump is a professional and chronic loiar who can't be honest about anything. Biden might say inflation has come down 4% when really it came down 3.8%. OK, a lie, but not really a significant lie as it is mostly true, just a bit embellished.

If Biden was trustworthy he would release the Hur tapes and tell us what is really going on with his health. We all deserve to know.

Corrupt conservative extremists (MAGAs) have the transcripts. They can't be trusted with the recordings. They have no valid reason for why they need the recordings, so denied. And Hur has damaged his own integrity given his report.

We are not a democracy

It is as far as citizens cast votes, and the vote tally elects officials. The presidency is different with the weird and obsolete electoral college system.

and the president is only obligated to Article II, Section 3 of the constitution.

Odd that the oath of office mentions the whole constotituion, not just the one part. So you are wrong yet again. Did you take civics from Trump University and this explains why you are so wrong about it?

The President’s Job According to the Constitution The U.S. Constitution contains the only official “job description” for the President of the United States. According to Article II, Sections 2 and 3, the President:
1) Is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and of each state’s militia when the nation has need of it
2) Has power to obtain information and opinions from heads of the executive departments
3) May grant pardons and reprieves for crimes against the United States
4) Makes treaties with other countries with the approval of the Senate
5) Appoints ambassadors, federal judges and heads of executive departments – all subject to the approval of the Senate; the President also has power to fill any vacancies that may happen while the Senate is in recess
6) Must report to Congress from time to time about the state of the union and recommend whatever measures he thinks are necessary
7) May call members of Congress together on extraordinary occasions, as well as adjourn their meetings when they cannot agree on their own about when to do this
8) Receives foreign ambassadors and other public officials
9) Is responsible for enforcing the nation’s laws
10) Issues commissions to all officers of the United States

And now the president can commit crimes and claim they are part of his official duties. But that would only be the convicted fellon that republicans want as president, as Biden has ethics and honors his oath of office. So are you OK with a criminal who violates his oath of office and will commit crimes because the SCOTUS says he can get away with them? That's what you will ghet with Trump. So let us know.

Ok, I disagree.

Of course you do, you rely on disinformation way too much to be properly informed.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Of course you do, you rely on disinformation way too much to be properly informed.

Uh huh, Good discussion, thanks.