Will Iran attack Israel ?

[darkendless]

You can ask our regimes about that thing...And I think the answer is very well known!

So what?!

How are we meant to defned ourselves against radicalism if we are attacked? Relations between Australia and Indonesia are not great at the moment. Now more than ever on TV we are seeing radicals on tv claiming they want to attack the west. Great supporters for the acceptance of Islam in this country they are

 

[Sahar]

Those bad westerners right. If the US had have attacked Japan by land almost 3x the amount of people killed in nuclear explosions would have died. Forgot to mention that didn't you?

Oh, how noble! So you feel the use of mass destruction weapons makes the governments and its nations stand on more superior moral ground. Another perspective, indeed.
Strange how people try to justify.

Israel acts forcefully in self defense. Should they just give Palestine back their land and walk away before they get attacked again If people were attacking Egypt would you let them do it, or act to prevent it?

Give back the land they stole and kicked out its inhabitants? No way, this doesn't sound like Israel.
If people occupied and threatened Egypt and its people, (e.g Israel), I would resist them with every possible means. We hadn't wars with Israel for nothing.
Egypt has a long history with occupation, France, England and Israel occupied us, and we resisted them all. That's why I feel for the Palestinians, but what the Palestinians see is more than occupation, it's racist replacement of the inhabitants with another people under religious and racial slogans.

 

[.lava]

Should Israel wait until they are attacked to do anything about Iran?

Would that be too late for them?

Will Iran attack Israel?

What is up with these long range missles that could even reach our country?

Why are they testing them?

Do you believe Iran is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes only?

Should the United States just sit back and watch another holocaust?

Why or why not?

Iran is not going to attack Israel. those same dark powers make sure Iran and Turkey hit each other. all the weapons Iran builds is for Turkey, not Israel as they made you believe. it is just a front game.






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[Sajdah]

How are we meant to defned ourselves against radicalism if we are attacked? Relations between Australia and Indonesia are not great at the moment. Now more than ever on TV we are seeing radicals on tv claiming they want to attack the west. Great supporters for the acceptance of Islam in this country they are

Look, I don't understand what you are talking about..But what I know that there is no reason to barge Islam into everything happening everywhere!

Or you just tryingto say that no Muslim country has any right to have an army like western countries?!
And we can discuss the Indonesian/Australian relations later, right?!

 

[Sajdah]

Iran is not going to attack Israel. those same dark powers make sure Iran and Turkey hit each other. all the weapons Iran builds is for Turkey, not Israel as they made you believe. it is just a front game.






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May you elaborate, sister?!

 

[darkendless]

Look, I don't understand what you are talking about..But what I know that there is no reason to barge Islam into everything happening everywhere!

Or you just tryingto say that no Muslim country has any right to have an army like western countries?!
And we can discuss the Indonesian/Australian relations later, right?!

No i'm saying radical Islamic teaching among muslims countries is concerning, Indonesia is my example because it is so close to where i live.

Muslim countries can have an army, but countries like Iran and Indonesia with a high amount of radicals is concerning. Curb radicalism in Islam and trust will grow. However, how can we trust muslim countries breadding extremism? (note: not all countries that are muslim breed extremists)

 

[Sajdah]

No i'm saying radical Islamic teaching among muslims countries is concerning, Indonesia is my example because it is so close to where i live

Muslim countries can have an army, but countries like Iran and Indonesia with a high amount of radicals is concerning. Curb radicalism in Islam and trust will grow. However, how can we trust muslim countries breadding extremism? (note: not all countries that are muslim breed extremists.

How many muslim extremists in the world?! Compare them to the number of terrorists of Israel, and America, and then tell me why is it ok for them not for muslim countries too?!

 

[darkendless]

How many muslim extremists in the world?! Compare them to the number of terrorists of Israel, and America, and then tell me why is it ok for them not for muslim countries too?!

Islamic extremists >>>>>1 ......... American/Israeli terrorists 0

Why are Americans terrorists again? Oh yeh thats right, because people died that probably would have died anyway trying to make that hellhole called Iraq a civilised nation.

I really hate debates where muslim members slander the west like there's no tomorrow. Soldiers from my country are building schools and necessities for muslims and the thanks they get is gunfire. How kind of them.
Having had family in Afghanistan its unsettling to see news articles of civilians attacking soldiers and construction workers trying to help them. My cousin was lucky, many cousins of others were not because of radicals. How can Islam be respected when its adherents do such a thing in such large numbers and on the internet, muslim members have the nerve to call us the terrorists for trying to bring prosperity to struggling nations.

I can never get my head around such thinking.

 

[Sajdah]

Islamic extremists >>>>>1 ......... American/Israeli terrorists 0

Lol :biglaugh:

I really hate debates where muslim members slander the west like there's no tomorrow. Soldiers from my country are building schools and necessities for muslims and the thanks they get is gunfire. How kind of them.
Having had family in Afghanistan its unsettling to see news articles of civilians attacking soldiers and construction workers trying to help them. My cousin was lucky, many cousins of others were not because of radicals. How can Islam be respected when its adherents do such a thing in such large numbers and on the internet, muslim members have the nerve to call us the terrorists for trying to bring prosperity to struggling nations.

Firstly, I didn't call Americans in general as terrorists. I asked you a question and I was waiting for more practical facts. Not emotions!

Secondly what are you waiting from people are defending themselves, and fighting occupation (flowers and hugs?)...And why your cousin was there originally or any other soldier?!

 

[Alceste]

Such a wager represents a risk that apparently you wouldn't take... and the point is, neither should Israel.

Sooooo... basically you are saying Israel should launch a completely unprovoked attack against Iran? Israel should answer the words of Iranian politicians by dropping bombs on Iranian civilians? Just want to make sure I've understood you correctly.

 

[England my lionheart]

Sooooo... basically you are saying Israel should launch a completely unprovoked attack against Iran? Israel should answer the words of Iranian politicians by dropping bombs on Iranian civilians? Just want to make sure I've understood you correctly.

It would'nt be unprovoked would it,Ahmadinejad has sworn to wipe Israel off of the map,builds nuclear plants,test fires Rockets capable of reaching Israel seems pretty provocative to me.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Sooooo... basically you are saying Israel should launch a completely unprovoked attack against Iran? Israel should answer the words of Iranian politicians by dropping bombs on Iranian civilians? Just want to make sure I've understood you correctly.

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The presence of a risk indicates that the attack wouldn't be "completely unprovoked"; it would be... provoked.

And Israel should answer by not dropping bombs on civilians... but by dropping bombs on Iranian nuclear facilities.

 

[Sunstone]

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The presence of a risk indicates that the attack wouldn't be "completely unprovoked"; it would be... provoked.

How much risk constitutes provocation? And how is a certain amount of risk determined to constitute provocation while a lesser amount of risk is determined not to constitute provocation? Or is any risk at all too much risk for the world's faint hearted?

And Israel should answer by not dropping bombs on civilians... but by dropping bombs on Iranian nuclear facilities.

You don't know much about the realities of war, do you? It's not something you study, is it? You can always promise a war without civilian casualties, but can you deliver?

 

[Sunstone]

It will be extraordinarily difficult for Iran to build a nuclear weapon if it's nuclear facilities are being inspected.

 

[Kathryn]

I've been saying all along - this whole international brouhaha is a religious war - no matter what other labels our politicians try to slap on it.

At least, it's a religious war to the Muslim factions. War makes strange bedfellows.

As for the question "How many of your children are you willing to sacrifice?" - I have three children serving in the US military on active duty. I support their decisions to join the military, and I watch world events closely because of their decision to build their career around what I consider an honorable cause - the defense of our country and our Allies' countries (that's what it's always boiled down to for any soldier).

I consider Israel one of our most important allies, and I believe that stability in the Middle East is critical to US interests AND world peace, so I have no philosophical problem with US involvement in that volatile region.

On a personal level, though, I pray for the safety of all of our troops, including my three children. My son's unit lost 44 men in Iraq - his platoon leader had his head blown off while he was delivering school supplies to an Iraqi elementary school.

Pray for peace.

 

[Alceste]

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The presence of a risk indicates that the attack wouldn't be "completely unprovoked"; it would be... provoked.

And Israel should answer by not dropping bombs on civilians... but by dropping bombs on Iranian nuclear facilities.

So would you also agree that by wishing to attack Iran pre-emptively, simply because you fear a possible belligerent act, you also present the presence of a risk to Iran? Are they justified in bombing Israel by your reasoning? Israel has nukes, they have a history of waging war on their neighbours, they make worrying statements with respect to Iran... so Iran should bomb the crap out of you?

 

[Caladan]

So would you also agree that by wishing to attack Iran pre-emptively, simply because you fear a possible belligerent act, you also present the presence of a risk to Iran? Are they justified in bombing Israel by your reasoning? Israel has nukes, they have a history of waging war on their neighbours, they make worrying statements with respect to Iran... so Iran should bomb the crap out of you?

If the reality of the middle east was something you were more accustomed to, this might have more weight.
In 1990 Iraq bombed Israeli cities with long range missiles. I clearly remember an American patriot missile intercepting an Iraqi scud over my school, and me as a cheerful elementary school youngster collecting missile parts from the school yard. what would these missile attacks look like if Israel had not taken out the Iraqi nuclear reactor 9 years earlier?
Like Saddam's regime, the Iranian regimes does not shy from committing atrocities against different groups inside their own nation, they also do not shy away from making blunt rhetoric against Israel. wouldn't the logical formula be to take these rhetoric and their domestic policies seriously?
what you call 'possible' may turn out to be a question of 'when' rather than 'if' in the long term.
Iran is already using terrorist elements to attack Israel, in 2006 and 2009 Hezballah and Hamas operating as Iranian proxies on many levels, launched thousands of rockets on Israeli cities. its not a completely far fetched hypothetical scenario as far as Israel is concerned, as its based on middle eastern realities. something which people from other parts of the world have a serious difficulties grasping, as they are simply not exposed to it on daily basis.

 

[Alceste]

If the reality of the middle east was something you were more accustomed to, this might have more weight.
In 1990 Iraq bombed Israeli cities with long range missiles. I clearly remember an American patriot missile intercepting an Iraqi scud over my school, and me as a cheerful elementary school youngster collecting missile parts from the school yard. what would these missile attacks look like if Israel had not taken out the Iraqi nuclear reactor 9 years earlier?
Like Saddam's regime, the Iranian regimes does not shy from committing atrocities against different groups inside their own nation, they also do not shy away from making blunt rhetoric against Israel. wouldn't the logical formula be to take these rhetoric and their domestic policies seriously?
what you call 'possible' may turn out to be a question of 'when' rather than 'if' in the long term.
Iran is already using terrorist elements to attack Israel, in 2006 and 2009 Hezballah and Hamas operating as Iranian proxies on many levels, launched thousands of rockets on Israeli cities. its not a completely far fetched hypothetical scenario as far as Israel is concerned, as its based on middle eastern realities. something which people from other parts of the world have a serious difficulties grasping, as they are simply not exposed to it on daily basis.

Israel too has attacked its neighbours and bombed civilian areas. Lebanese children too, have collected bits of Israeli bombs from their schoolyard. I've yet to hear a convincing reason I should care more about the lives of Israeli school children than Iranian school children.

 

[Caladan]

Israel too has attacked its neighbours and bombed civilian areas. Lebanese children too, have collected bits of Israeli bombs from their schoolyard. I've yet to hear a convincing reason I should care more about the lives of Israeli school children than Iranian school children.

You have completely missed the whole point of my post and taken it out of context. well done. :clap
You may not care about Israeli lives. but it is the daily concern of Israeli citizens. therefore there is no sense it taking your advice on matters such as the Iranian issue.
further more, what do Iranian school children have to do with it?
the targets are nuclear facilities.

 

[Alceste]

You have completely missed the whole point of my post and taken it out of context. well done. :clap
You may not care about Israeli lives. but it is the daily concern of Israeli citizens. therefore there is no sense it taking your advice on matters such as the Iranian issue from you.
further more, what do Iranian school children have to do with it?
the targets are nuclear facilities.

So what were the targets in Lebanon?

I am deeply skeptical of your suggestion that Israel, if it started a preemptive war with Iran, would limit its targets to nuclear facilities. Can you give me an historical example of a time when Israel has attempted to avoid civilian casualties in its warmaking?

You miss my point as well - I care about everyone's lives equally. I don't care about Israeli lives more. I know there are Israelis who feel the same.