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Will Iran attack Israel ?

Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Alceste said:
So what were the targets in Lebanon?

I am deeply skeptical of your suggestion that Israel, if it started a preemptive war with Iran, would limit its targets to nuclear facilities. Can you give me an historical example of a time when Israel has attempted to avoid civilian casualties in its warmaking?

You miss my point as well - I care about everyone's lives equally. I don't care about Israeli lives more. I know there are Israelis who feel the same.
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Israel has taken out the Iraqi reactor in a highly complicated operation.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Caladan said:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Osirak: Over the reactor

http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/ford.pdf

And of course there are wiki files available:

Osirak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Opera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thanks Caladan - interesting stuff. Do you think Iran is justified in taking out Israel's nuclear reactors in a similar fashion, since Israel has poses a threat?

BTW, I would fully support an Israeli operation to destroy nuclear facilities in the M.E. provided it included their own.
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Alceste said:
Thanks Caladan - interesting stuff. Do you think Iran is justified in taking out Israel's nuclear reactors in a similar fashion, since Israel has poses a threat?
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What threat did Israel pose to Iran? it was Iran that declared Israel as its enemy after the Islamic revolution. Israel was quite content to be an ally to Iran before that. which Israeli leader has threatened to erase Iran off the map?
No, I dont think Israel, poses any kind of danger to Iran.

BTW, I would fully support an Israeli operation to destroy nuclear facilities in the M.E. provided it included their own.
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Sure. I too wish, some day all men and women of the world would join in hands and sing hallelujah, but until that day, I rather be prepared for non joyous yet feasible scenarios.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Caladan said:
What threat did Israel pose to Iran? it was Iran that declared Israel as its enemy after the Islamic revolution. Israel was quite content to be an ally to Iran before that. which Israeli leader has threatened to erase Iran off the map? No, I dont think Israel, poses any kind of danger to Iran.
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You don't believe Israelis advocating an unprovoked attack on Iran is a threat, or that bombing a nuclear reactor poses a danger?
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Alceste said:
You don't believe Israelis advocating an unprovoked attack on Iran is a threat, or that bombing a nuclear reactor poses a danger?
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Neville Chamberlain sought to appease Hitler. Do you suggest we try the same tactic with Iran?
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Caladan said:
Just as much as the Jews of ghetto Warsaw posed a threat to the Nazi Germans.
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So you are unable to distinguish between a nuclear-armed Jewish nation-state that has continually engaged (and prevailed) in exchanges of violence with its neighbours since its inception, and the unarmed ghetto inhabitants of Warsaw in 1940? Really? Or are you simply trying to evoke my sympathy for your the misfortunes of your ancestors to persuade me that your people should be allowed (and encouraged) to kill other people's children?
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
YmirGF said:
Neville Chamberlain sought to appease Hitler. Do you suggest we try the same tactic with Iran?
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What is it you think Iran wants that we could "appease" it by agreeing to? For Chamberlain it was half of Czechoslovakia. I'd say no, we shouldn't give the Czech republic to Ahmedinejad. What's your point?
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Alceste said:
So you are unable to distinguish between a nuclear-armed Jewish nation-state that has continually engaged (and prevailed) in exchanges of violence with its neighbours since its inception, and the unarmed ghetto inhabitants of Warsaw in 1940? Really? Or are you simply trying to evoke my sympathy for your the misfortunes of your ancestors to persuade me that your people should be allowed (and encouraged) to kill other people's children?
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On the contrary. I am the one who realizes that the Jews now have a strong nation and capability to determine their fate, Jews can now serve in their own army, with their own uniforms and defend themselves to the new dictators and lunatics of international politics.
I dont need your sympathy, you are giving yourself way too much credit.
you also lack the simple logical skills to realize that Israel HAS been provoked. it has been provoked by thousands and thousands of rockets falling on its cities, and it has been provoked by threats to be erased off the map. and yet you say its Israel which poses the danger. how many double standards can one see in one simple post?
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Caladan said:
On the contrary. I am the one who realizes that the Jews now have a strong nation and capability to determine their fate, Jews can now serve in their own army, with their own uniforms and defend themselves to the new dictators and lunatics of international politics.
I dont need your sympathy, you are giving yourself way too much credit.
you also lack the simple logical skills to realize that Israel HAS been provoked. it has been provoked by thousands and thousands of rockets falling on its cities, and it has been provoked by threats to be erased off the map. and yet you say its Israel which poses the danger. how many double standards can one see in one simple post?
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Are you saying you believe Israel hasn't done any "provoking" of its own? Israel swats flies with a baseball bat, and always has.

From my POV, you're all as crazy and violent as each other.
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Alceste said:
Are you saying you believe Israel hasn't done any "provoking" of its own? Israel swats flies with a baseball bat, and always has.
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What specifically did Israel do to threaten Iran? does Israel call Iran 'the little Satan'? does Israel threaten to wipe Iran off the map? does Israel claim Shiite Muslim are behind a global conspiracy for world domination?
as far as Israel was concerned business as usual before the Islamic revolution would be the ideal, when Israel was an ally to Iran.

From my POV, you're all as crazy and violent as each other.
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Like I said before. your knowledge and experience with the middle east is minimal.
Israel is the safest nation for gays in the middle east while Iranian gays are being hanged from cranes in the streets of Tehran, Israel is one of the best nations in the world to live as a gay person. Israel not only allowed Arab women the right to vote before many other Arab and Muslim nations, but allowed Arabs into the Israeli parliament and indeed into positions of ministers.
Israel has offered its world renown aid services in times of natural disasters even to 'enemy states'. Israel holds an amazingly free press, not only in total contradiction to the spirit of media dictatorship and indoctrination in the nations around it, but such a free press in such sensitive scenarios, that all western nations can learn from. Israel is a leading force in medicine, it sends Israeli experts to third world nations to revolutionize their agriculture and to help them medically, and to provide ecological and water solutions.
No, Israel is not crazy or violent. it is a normal nation in a crazy region. it is so anachronistic in this region that many dictators simply cant conceptualize the idea of co existence in a region with hundreds of millions of people with mere 6 million Jews, who would open their gates to knowledge and promote an interest to develop this region.
 
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Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Caladan said:
What specifically did Israel do to threaten Iran? does Israel call Iran 'the little Satan'? does Israel threaten to wipe Iran off the map? does Israel claim Shiite Muslim are behind a global conspiracy for world domination?
as far as Israel was concerned business as usual before the Islamic revolution would be the ideal, when Israel was an ally to Iran.


Like I said before. your knowledge and experience with the middle east is minimal.
Israel is the safest nation for gays in the middle east while Iranian gays are being hanged from cranes in the streets of Tehran, Israel is one of the best nations in the world to live as a gay person. Israel not only allowed Arab women the right to vote before many other Arab and Muslim nations, but allowed Arabs into the Israeli parliament and indeed into positions of ministers.
Israel has offered its world renown aid services in times of natural disasters even to 'enemy states'. Israel holds an amazingly free press, not only in total contradiction to the spirit of media dictatorship and indoctrination in the nations around it, but such a free press in such sensitive scenarios, that all western nations can learn from. Israel is a leading force in medicine, it sends Israeli experts to third world nations to revolutionize their agriculture and to help them medically, and to provide ecological and water solutions.
No, Israel is not crazy or violent. it is a normal nation in a crazy region. it is so anachronistic in this region that many dictators simply cant conceptualize the idea of co existence in a region with hundreds of millions of people with mere 6 million Jews, who would open their gates to knowledge and promote an interest to develop this region.
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And so your secularity and contributions to disaster relief and medicine entitles you to go kill a whole bunch of Iranians? I still don't get it. Unless your position is that Israelis should be allowed to kill Iranians (and Palestinians, and Lebanese) because you're an inherently superior people.
 
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Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
RND said:
With what?
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Photoshopped missiles.

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