Will there be freewill in the afterlife?

[URAVIP2ME]

Those who do not wish to be ruled, perhaps?

' Ruled ' or ruled over can carry with it the idea of oppression, but Jesus will govern in righteousness.
No one will tremble or be afraid under Christ's governing over Earth - Micah 4:3-4
There will be wall-to-wall, so to speak, Peace on Earth - Isaiah 2:4

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There is no sleep like state for conscious mind. Conscious mind exist outside the body. The body is the window do to speak that conscious mind peers through into this simulated universe.
The resurrection is a continuous Cycle.
I prefer the Jesus in the book of Thomas over the Jesus of Matthew. There are reasons for me to believe its more truthful.

Thomas is an apocryphal book because it is out of harmony with the ' 66' books of Bible canon.
There was No conscious mind for Adam before God breathed the ' breath of life ' into inanimate life-less Adam - Genesis 2:7
Adam had No pre-human existence. Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned to non-life - Genesis 3:19

Gospel writer Luke used the ' future tense ' at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
How can resurrection be a continuous cycle when we received half of our genes from one parent and half from the other parent ?
We are all unique and descendants from father Adam and mother Eve.
The dead will hear Jesus' voice on Resurrection Day - John 5:28 - Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth when enemy death will be No more.
- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

 

[ThirtyThree]

' Ruled ' or ruled over can carry with it the idea of oppression, but Jesus will govern in righteousness.
No one will tremble or be afraid under Christ's governing over Earth - Micah 4:3-4
There will be wall-to-wall, so to speak, Peace on Earth - Isaiah 2:4

Judging by the track record of what is considered "righteousness" in the Bible, I am not going to hold my breath on the subject. There is also that whole "rod of iron" matter, regarding the ruling.

 

[Walter Russell]

Thomas is an apocryphal book because it is out of harmony with the ' 66' books of Bible canon.
There was No conscious mind for Adam before God breathed the ' breath of life ' into inanimate life-less Adam - Genesis 2:7
Adam had No pre-human existence. Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned to non-life - Genesis 3:19

Gospel writer Luke used the ' future tense ' at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
How can resurrection be a continuous cycle when we received half of our genes from one parent and half from the other parent ?
We are all unique and descendants from father Adam and mother Eve.
The dead will hear Jesus' voice on Resurrection Day - John 5:28 - Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth when enemy death will be No more.
- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

Mind is not brain. Mind is consciousness and the body is just a biological machine that can't do anything without mind giving it direction.

If you want to compare those 66 books to something you should start with Astrotheology because the bible is that as much as it is anything else.

The book of Thomas has more spiritual truth in it than the 4 gospels in my opinion.

Considering who chose the books of the NT and the fact that the Pope claims the power of Christ in Christ absence is plenty of motivation to put forth a narrative that gives the Pope power.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Is Islamic hell the same as biblical hell ?________
The Bible's hell is a temporary sleeping state for the dead until resurrected out of hell.- Psalms 16:10; Acts of the Apostles 2:27
KJV translated the word Gehenna as hell fire, but Gehenna was a just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed Not kept burning forever.
Since Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach ' sleep ' in death, then the Bible's hell is mankind's stone-cold temporary grave for the unconscious dead (R.I.P.)
- John 11:14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5

No, it's different, at least than the description you're providing. Hell in Islamic beliefs is physical, exactly as physical the meaning of the word suggests, for both the place and the bodies of people. It's a solid ground in it's own nature that we don't know of exactly. It's a true nightmare. No living hell in this life as we know it can ever compare to it. Beliefs have it that bodies are given thick skin to spend more time to burn to inflict pain. Once burned completely, those bodies are recovered to it's best state to burn again. And that's only on case scenario. I had nightmares of it that woke me up with my heart beating as if it's about to explode out of my chest.

As for where it is, I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No, it's different, at least than the description you're providing. Hell in Islamic beliefs is physical, exactly as physical the meaning of the word suggests, for both the place and the bodies of people. It's a solid ground in it's own nature that we don't know of exactly. It's a true nightmare. No living hell in this life as we know it can ever compare to it. Beliefs have it that bodies are given thick skin to spend more time to burn to inflict pain. Once burned completely, those bodies are recovered to it's best state to burn again. And that's only on case scenario. I had nightmares of it that woke me up with my heart beating as if it's about to explode out of my chest.
As for where it is, I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell.

Thank you for your reply.
Jesus helped in providing that description of ' biblical hell ' because as Prophet Jesus taught ' sleep ' in death - John 11:12-14
Where did Jesus get his teaching information from but from the old Hebrew Scriptures.
By age 12 Jesus already had a lot of biblical education from the Hebrew Scriptures.
Scriptures that teach ' sleep ' (Not pain) in death - The dead know nothing - Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, the dead ' sleep in peace ' - Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
As we do Not know the passing of time while asleep, the dead are Not aware of the passing of time.

Plato and others taught of a permanent religious-myth hell with a conscious pain-filled forever fire.
The fire of Scripture comes from the word ' Gehenna ' and Gehenna was simply an incinerator where things were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.
If ' Gehenna ' was a forever place then ' Gehenna ' would still be in use today with permanent burning flames.
When the Jews began mixing with pagan Greeks they adopted their religious-myth view of hell and taught that pagan view as Scripture.
The corrupted churches of Christendom (Christian mostly in name only ) still teach that fiery religious-myth as being Scripture. - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30

If No one righteous can go to hell, then how is it righteous Jesus went to hell ( Greek word hades or haides ) the day he died? - Psalms 16:10; Acts 2:27
The Bible talks of an end to biblical hell. According to gospel writer John at Revelation 20:13-14 after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' meaning resurrected out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell.

Even if a person sticks to believing in a forever pain-filled hell that would happen after death.
1 Corinthians 15:26 speaks of enemy death as being brought to nothing.
Wouldn't ' No more death ' mean No more hell ( biblical or otherwise ) ?_________ - Isaiah 25:8

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Judging by the track record of what is considered "righteousness" in the Bible, I am not going to hold my breath on the subject. There is also that whole "rod of iron" matter, regarding the ruling.

Jesus taught what is righteous by giving us a NEW commandment to have self-sacrificing love for others as he did for us at John 13:34-35
That ' rod of iron ' is and expression about getting rid of the willfully wicked. see -> Isaiah 11:4
Please notice that symbolic ' rod ' is the rod (breath) from Jesus' mouth. Only the wicked will receive that executional ' rod ' - Psalms 92:7
So, the words from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked before Day One begins of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth.

Whether you believe them or not, would you say the recorded works Jesus did were righteous works ?_______
Wasn't it righteous for Jesus to feed the crowds before they left for home ?______
Wasn't it righteous for Jesus to give us the illustration about the neighborly good Samaritan who broadened out in his love by helping even a stranger in distress ?
Wasn't it righteous for Jesus to heal sick people including deaf and blind ones ?
Wasn't it righteous for Jesus to calm the stormy sea with the words from his mouth? _______Showing he will have control over whether phenomenon.- Mark 6:50-51; Mark 4:39
Wasn't it righteous for Jesus to resurrect his dead friend - John 11:12-14; John 5:28
ALL Jesus' powerful righteous works were a preview, a coming attraction, for us about what Jesus will be doing on a grand-global scale during his 1,000-year reign over Earth.
Please notice Revelation 22:2 because mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the curing or healing of earth's nations.
No one will say, " I am sick...." - Isaiah 33:24

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Those who do not wish to be ruled, perhaps?

Aren't we already ruled by the Laws of Nature ?_______ Cause and Effect.
Don't we reap what we sow. Sow good and reap good.
Isn't being ruled by having 'self-sacrificing love for others' a good thing ? _______- John 13:34-35

 

[ThirtyThree]

Aren't we already ruled by the Laws of Nature ?_______ Cause and Effect.
Don't we reap what we sow. Sow good and reap good.
Isn't being ruled by having 'self-sacrificing love for others' a good thing ? _______- John 13:34-35

No, I do not believe in what goes around comes around, much less any variety of earthly karma. One can gain as much in life from doing evil as they can from good. What happens after mortality expires? That is up for debate.

 

[OurCreed]

Yeap. But my question is: how do you know whether you are in Hell or Heaven? Especially if you are the soul, resurrected body or whatever, of a child who died very very young and did not have the time to appreciate the difference between good and evil.

If you have no means of comparisons (up vs. down), once the separation is complete, how will they know?

Ciao

- viole

You will feel it, and you will naturally understand the feeling. If you like the feeling, it is good, and if you don't, then you are not in heaven.

 

[OurCreed]

I disagree. This IS a polarized universe in as much as its electrically divided +/- but that has nothing to do with behavior. Its possible for everyone to all be "good" or "bad" ppl and the rest of the universe would think nothing of it.

Good or bad is nothing more than a choice.

Up or down on the other hand have to do with gravitation and radiation. Those are equal constants that we can't avoid.

You took this further than it needed to be. Yes, good and bad are choices, but these perceptions cannot exist at all unless we get both together.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Thank you for your reply.
Jesus helped in providing that description of ' biblical hell ' because as Prophet Jesus taught ' sleep ' in death - John 11:12-14
Where did Jesus get his teaching information from but from the old Hebrew Scriptures.
By age 12 Jesus already had a lot of biblical education from the Hebrew Scriptures.
Scriptures that teach ' sleep ' (Not pain) in death - The dead know nothing - Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, the dead ' sleep in peace ' - Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
As we do Not know the passing of time while asleep, the dead are Not aware of the passing of time.

Plato and others taught of a permanent religious-myth hell with a conscious pain-filled forever fire.
The fire of Scripture comes from the word ' Gehenna ' and Gehenna was simply an incinerator where things were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.
If ' Gehenna ' was a forever place then ' Gehenna ' would still be in use today with permanent burning flames.
When the Jews began mixing with pagan Greeks they adopted their religious-myth view of hell and taught that pagan view as Scripture.
The corrupted churches of Christendom (Christian mostly in name only ) still teach that fiery religious-myth as being Scripture. - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30

If No one righteous can go to hell, then how is it righteous Jesus went to hell ( Greek word hades or haides ) the day he died? - Psalms 16:10; Acts 2:27
The Bible talks of an end to biblical hell. According to gospel writer John at Revelation 20:13-14 after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' meaning resurrected out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell.

Even if a person sticks to believing in a forever pain-filled hell that would happen after death.
1 Corinthians 15:26 speaks of enemy death as being brought to nothing.
Wouldn't ' No more death ' mean No more hell ( biblical or otherwise ) ?_________ - Isaiah 25:8

Interesting information. Thank you for sharing.

In Islam, all prophets will never be sent to hell in the sense of being deserving of it. Their eternal refuge will be in paradise.

By the way, in Islam, those who go to hell won't necessarily be eternally there. They could serve according to their crimes then go to paradise in the end.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Interesting information. Thank you for sharing.
In Islam, all prophets will never be sent to hell in the sense of being deserving of it. Their eternal refuge will be in paradise.
By the way, in Islam, those who go to hell won't necessarily be eternally there. They could serve according to their crimes then go to paradise in the end.

And thank you again for your response.

According to Romans 6:23 the total price tag for crimes (sin) is: death. There is No mention of any post-mortem penalties after death - Romans 6:7
If a person is freed or acquitted of a crime can they be tired and punished again for it ?_____ Or would that be double jeopardy ?______

Christendom ( so-called Christian ) teaches paradise as meaning Heaven, but Jesus never taught to pray ' thy Heaven come '
Jesus taught that God's will, or God's purpose, be done right here on Earth as it is in Heaven.
According to Scripture, God's will, or purpose, for Heaven are all good conditions.
In Heaven there is: No war, No violence, No sickness, No death in Heaven. Those bad conditions exist now on Earth.
So, by praying God's will be done here on Earth we are praying for those good heavenly conditions to come and exist on Earth.
The main theme of Jesus' teachings was talking about the good news of God's kingdom - Luke 4:43
That is why Jesus did Not cure everyone on Earth while he was on Earth. Those were sample cures of what is to come on a grand international scale - Revelation 22:2
First, the issue of Sovereignty (who governs best) would have to be settled here on Earth before there will be Peace on Earth and healing for Earth's nations.
The old adage says to give a man enough rope and he will hang himself.
So, by God allowing mankind enough time to govern himself helps us see that man has dominated man to man's hurt or injury - Ecclesiastes 8:9; Proverbs 29:2

Since Paradise was on Earth (Eden) then ' eternal refuge ' according to Scripture will be on: Earth.
Obedient Adam was offered everlasting life on Earth. Adam was never offered Heaven.
Jesus only offered Heaven to some who will have a first or earlier resurrection - Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 2:10
So, the majority of people will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on Earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year kingdom rule over Earth.- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
Scriptural hell is also Not for eternity because biblical hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead - John 11:12-14
Most people will be resurrected back to life on Earth when earthly conditions on Earth will be like a beautiful blooming paradisical garden as Eden was. - Isaiah 35

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No, I do not believe in what goes around comes around, much less any variety of earthly karma. One can gain as much in life from doing evil as they can from good. What happens after mortality expires? That is up for debate.

The man Asaph (Psalms 73:2-4) also observed the prosperity from doing evil - Psalms 73:12

What happened to father Adam after his ' mortality expired ' ?
Was Adam tried and punished again after he died ?_____ That would have been double jeopardy. Adam was told you eat, you die. Nothing past death.
According to Scripture, mortal Adam simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
A person can Not return to a place he never was before. So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life.
In Scripture there is No debate because there is No post-mortem penalty after death - ' Death' is the total price tag that we pay for sins - Romans 6:7; Romans 6:23
Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another, then we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18; Acts of the Apostles 24:15

 

[ThirtyThree]

The man Asaph (Psalms 73:2-4) also observed the prosperity from doing evil - Psalms 73:12

What happened to father Adam after his ' mortality expired ' ?
Was Adam tried and punished again after he died ?_____ That would have been double jeopardy. Adam was told you eat, you die. Nothing past death.
According to Scripture, mortal Adam simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
A person can Not return to a place he never was before. So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life.
In Scripture there is No debate because there is No post-mortem penalty after death - ' Death' is the total price tag that we pay for sins - Romans 6:7; Romans 6:23
Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another, then we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18; Acts of the Apostles 24:15

Good thing I am not going to be resurrected then, according to your belief.

 

[Thief]

I don't believe in bodily resurrection.
we were born to die and become spirit.

God is spirit
the sons of God are spirit

 

[Smart_Guy]

And thank you again for your response.

According to Romans 6:23 the total price tag for crimes (sin) is: death. There is No mention of any post-mortem penalties after death - Romans 6:7
If a person is freed or acquitted of a crime can they be tired and punished again for it ?_____ Or would that be double jeopardy ?______

Christendom ( so-called Christian ) teaches paradise as meaning Heaven, but Jesus never taught to pray ' thy Heaven come '
Jesus taught that God's will, or God's purpose, be done right here on Earth as it is in Heaven.
According to Scripture, God's will, or purpose, for Heaven are all good conditions.
In Heaven there is: No war, No violence, No sickness, No death in Heaven. Those bad conditions exist now on Earth.
So, by praying God's will be done here on Earth we are praying for those good heavenly conditions to come and exist on Earth.
The main theme of Jesus' teachings was talking about the good news of God's kingdom - Luke 4:43
That is why Jesus did Not cure everyone on Earth while he was on Earth. Those were sample cures of what is to come on a grand international scale - Revelation 22:2
First, the issue of Sovereignty (who governs best) would have to be settled here on Earth before there will be Peace on Earth and healing for Earth's nations.
The old adage says to give a man enough rope and he will hang himself.
So, by God allowing mankind enough time to govern himself helps us see that man has dominated man to man's hurt or injury - Ecclesiastes 8:9; Proverbs 29:2

Since Paradise was on Earth (Eden) then ' eternal refuge ' according to Scripture will be on: Earth.
Obedient Adam was offered everlasting life on Earth. Adam was never offered Heaven.
Jesus only offered Heaven to some who will have a first or earlier resurrection - Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 2:10
So, the majority of people will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on Earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year kingdom rule over Earth.- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
Scriptural hell is also Not for eternity because biblical hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead - John 11:12-14
Most people will be resurrected back to life on Earth when earthly conditions on Earth will be like a beautiful blooming paradisical garden as Eden was. - Isaiah 35

Cool, good read!

Are those from the Old or New Testaments?

 

[viole]

You will feel it, and you will naturally understand the feeling. If you like the feeling, it is good, and if you don't, then you are not in heaven.

How do you know it is not good? You said you can know that only if you have both things.

Or are you revising your original statement that you need to have both in order to appreciate each of them?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Blastcat]

Yes there will be free will. However, the next life is not like this life. So everything that we do in the next life will technically be 'good'..

That makes no sense whatsoever. Technically?
Sounds like double-talk to me.

If there is ONLY one choice .. there IS no choice.
You play silly word games.

Good and evil is defined by God, not by us. .

Divine command theory. Do as you are TOLD.... Whatever you do.. DON'T THINK.
Just repeat what you are told.

There's a good boy.

The reason we consider things in this life to be evil (and I already explained this to you), is because of the certain conditions that make us label it to be evil. We label pain as evil, so anything that causes us pain to be something that we want to avoid. Anyone who causes pain is acting in the name of evil..

No pain, no gain. No evil... no.....( complete the sentence ).. no...... what?

The next world is not like this world...at all. .

And you KNOW that because you were TOLD that and you believe what you are TOLD, don't you?

The Islamic religion clearly states that the next world is nothing we have seen or experienced before..

Then the Islamic religion is clearly WRONG.

So God has created a world where nothing in it can be labelled as "evil" by us. So everything that we do of our free will, will be good by nature.

There is no free will if there is no possible CHOICE between good and evil, OurCreed.

YA GOTTA HAVE A CHOICE TO FREELY WILL IT.
If there is nothing to CHOOSE.. there is nothing to CHOOSE... no choice, no free will.... it's all GOOD.

Ridiculous twisted logic.
I guess you were taught that?

 

[Demonslayer]

No pain, no gain. No evil... no.....( complete the sentence )

Does it have to rhyme with evil? No evil no Boll Weevil?

How'd I do?