Windows 10....Evil Cancer

[Smart_Guy]

Tell me about it. In that junk of mine, there is an AMD HD 3870 X2 video card. I'm studying the possibility that one of the power supplies left overs in that pile of junk can provide enough juice to run it (wattage, amperage, etc). If I manage that but it turns out to be not supported in Win10, I'd be so very disappointed. The GTX 480 is not that old, so I'm glad it is still supported.

 

[Jumi]

Looks like you won't get away with using a ~300W PSU on either card.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-r680-rage-fury-maxx-2,1764-17.html

Tom's hardware recommended at least 450W for the AMD HD 38720 X2 and GTX 480 had ~250W just for itself.

I sometimes make computer packages from older parts for relatives who are already retired. Usually Linux Mint or Windows 7 serves them best. One of the best projects is a computer I used myself for around 4-5 years as a Windows XP/Linux computer. It's served as the home computer at a relatives house for almost 10 years now, good enough for youtube, photos, facebook. I've asked them if they wanted a newer computer but they're satisfied after they switched to Linux. I expect it to last at least the full 20 years using mid-range parts. Only thing they've needed change is the CMOS battery (twice) and speakers.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Looks like you won't get away with using a ~300W PSU on either card.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-r680-rage-fury-maxx-2,1764-17.html

Tom's hardware recommended at least 450W for the AMD HD 38720 X2 and GTX 480 had ~250W just for itself.

I sometimes make computer packages from older parts for relatives who are already retired. Usually Linux Mint or Windows 7 serves them best. One of the best projects is a computer I used myself for around 4-5 years as a Windows XP/Linux computer. It's served as the home computer at a relatives house for almost 10 years now, good enough for youtube, photos, facebook. I've asked them if they wanted a newer computer but they're satisfied after they switched to Linux. I expect it to last at least the full 20 years using mid-range parts. Only thing they've needed change is the CMOS battery (twice) and speakers.

Way ahead of ya, bro

The PSU's I have are one 460W and one 480W. Expected, since I'm all for the more future proof approach, tho I admit I failed in this many times.

The problem I feared the most was the +12v rail(s). Luckily, connectors and amps were sufficient. I managed to run the HD 3870 X2 just before I came here to report back.

My fear I mentioned before turned out to be real... but solvable unlike the case with the 7300 GS before it. AMD's driver was flexible this time to have the Win8.1 driver run on Win10. Outdated, but made perfectly optimized to utilize the card reliably before it got discontinued, as I read on AMD's logs.

I even tested it on Resident Evil 6 Benchmark Tool and the dual GPU feature worked perfectly. I got a max. of ~70FPS, an average of ~40FPS and a min. of ~10FPS (normal, since it's a stress test to, not a reflection of a real game play experience) which is impressive for a system this old, and very playable. The 3870 X2 is a Q1 2008 and the CPU is a Q1 2009. The computer is +6 years old.

The case is similar with the other card. This experience turned out to be 99% successful

 

[sun rise]

I dream of the day when all the software I want to use runs on Linux and I can rub my hands together in glee and ditch Microsoft.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

I dream of the day when all the software I want to use runs on Linux and I can rub my hands together in glee and ditch Microsoft.

What do you want that doesn't have an equivalent or run with Wine? I've never had a computer with Windows on it, so I'm missed all its delights!

 

[Jumi]

Way ahead of ya, bro

The PSU's I have are one 460W and one 480W. Expected, since I'm all for the more future proof approach, tho I admit I failed in this many times.

Nice.

Yeah, I also think like this. When I bought my last case I bought a 700-750W, people were buying 300W-400W and I was thinking those will go obsolete any moment now. I think my current setup barely hits 500W under maximum load.

I even tested it on Resident Evil 6 Benchmark Tool and the dual GPU feature worked perfectly. I got a max. of ~70FPS, an average of ~40FPS and a min. of ~10FPS (normal, since it's a stress test to, not a reflection of a real game play experience) which is impressive for a system this old, and very playable. The 3870 X2 is a Q1 2008 and the CPU is a Q1 2009. The computer is +6 years old.

What do plan on doing with them? If you're keeping them yourself... It's a safe environment to try Windows 10 yeah, but you could also try some other OS. Not sure if Hackintosh is workable on them or legal, but Linux at least should work well on those.

 

[sun rise]

What do you want that doesn't have an equivalent or run with Wine? I've never had a computer with Windows on it, so I'm missed all its delights!

My wife uses Adobe products which are not available on Linux. I already deal with differences between LibreOffice and MicrosoftOffice so another set of 'almost' is too much. There are other tools like that.

 

[Wu Wei]

My wife uses Adobe products which are not available on Linux. I already deal with differences between LibreOffice and MicrosoftOffice so another set of 'almost' is too much. There are other tools like that.

Adobe isn't available in Linux yet it runs well on OS X which is linux based....that is interesting

 

[Wu Wei]

I have FREED my laptop from the Windows 10 infestation.... it is back to a Win7 box again....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I set my laptop free!

Free of the Curse of Windows 10 it is!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Adobe isn't available in Linux yet it runs well on OS X which is linux based....that is interesting

The only reason I decided to go ahead and switch my laptop back to Linux is because as my "work computer," it was failing me as "work" requires having Adobe Premier, and my laptop doesn't care much for Premier. But it's far more powerful than my much older laptop with Linux, so I might just toss that on Ebay for whatever I can get for since I now have a much better Linux computer, which gives me a much better computer for everything except gaming, Word, and Adobe.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Nice.

Yeah, I also think like this. When I bought my last case I bought a 700-750W, people were buying 300W-400W and I was thinking those will go obsolete any moment now. I think my current setup barely hits 500W under maximum load.

I didn't work mine too hard, so I guess they can still manage +400W. Those days I didn't fill my computers with 3 hug fans, high end sound cards, 5 HDD's, 1 SSD, 3 USB devices or high end video cards (the 3870 X2 was an exception) like now to go +700W, so my limit was 500W max load. The PSU on that one has a max load of 530W.

What do plan on doing with them? If you're keeping them yourself... It's a safe environment to try Windows 10 yeah, but you could also try some other OS. Not sure if Hackintosh is workable on them or legal, but Linux at least should work well on those.

I'm planning on selling them now, so all I have to do is test all OS's I can only to check compatibility. So far I tested Windows 10 x64 and it works perfectly. They seem to run games (my best way to test performance, durability and temps) as they were intended to. I'm doing a research now to see how much they are worth.

 

[sun rise]

Adobe isn't available in Linux yet it runs well on OS X which is linux based....that is interesting

Adobe and others won't support Linux directly until it becomes more popular.

And OSX is not Linux based but BSD originally but is a lot different now http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3446231/how-closely-are-mac-os-x-and-bsd-related

 

[Smart_Guy]

And OSX is not Linux based but BSD originally but is a lot different now http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3446231/how-closely-are-mac-os-x-and-bsd-related

Hmm... I thought OSX's are Unix based.

 

[Wu Wei]

The only reason I decided to go ahead and switch my laptop back to Linux is because as my "work computer," it was failing me as "work" requires having Adobe Premier, and my laptop doesn't care much for Premier. But it's far more powerful than my much older laptop with Linux, so I might just toss that on Ebay for whatever I can get for since I now have a much better Linux computer, which gives me a much better computer for everything except gaming, Word, and Adobe.

I have a laptop that is soon to be Linux, but not my main PC based laptop that I just got back from the evil clutches of Windows 10. But it will be linux for both fun and security purposes.

 

[Wu Wei]

Adobe and others won't support Linux directly until it becomes more popular.

And OSX is not Linux based but BSD originally but is a lot different now http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3446231/how-closely-are-mac-os-x-and-bsd-related

Show off punk developer

That is interesting, so it is similar, but not the same

 

[sun rise]

Show off punk developer

That is interesting, so it is similar, but not the same

I used to be a developer but was a system administrator for many years following that. If you want and you should want just in case you ever wind up on a system on which I know the root password, you may sing, The Sysadmin Song (to the tune of the lumberjack song). The Tron reference is obsolete but...

[spoken]

I never really wanted to be a scientist.
I wanted to be...a...a SYSADMIN!

[system engineer choir and shift supervisor enter, music strikes up]

Oh, I'm a sysadmin and I'm OK,
I grep all night and I chown all day.

[choir]

He's a sysadmin and he's OK,
He greps all night and he chowns all day.

I ping the nodes, I do PM,
I awk and perl and sed.
I've got a Star Wars lunchbox,
And Tron sheets on my bed!
(and so forth)

 

[Jumi]

Hmm... I thought OSX's are Unix based.

BSD is a Unix so you were right.

 

[Wu Wei]

I used to be a developer but was a system administrator for many years following that. If you want and you should want just in case you ever wind up on a system on which I know the root password, you may sing, The Sysadmin Song (to the tune of the lumberjack song). The Tron reference is obsolete but...

[spoken]

I never really wanted to be a scientist.
I wanted to be...a...a SYSADMIN!

[system engineer choir and shift supervisor enter, music strikes up]

Oh, I'm a sysadmin and I'm OK,
I grep all night and I chown all day.

[choir]

He's a sysadmin and he's OK,
He greps all night and he chowns all day.

I ping the nodes, I do PM,
I awk and perl and sed.
I've got a Star Wars lunchbox,
And Tron sheets on my bed!
(and so forth)

Sysadmin huh.... that is only slightly better that a developer...... and yet they cause so much more trouble.....

 

[GoodbyeDave]

That is interesting, so it is similar, but not the same

OSX and Linux are POSIX compliant, which means they are the same at the command-line level. The big difference is that all POSIX systems have similar graphics except OSX.