Women's clothing and men gawking

[BSM1]

Back in the day, I once tried cooking supper wearing only my butcher's apron, but the enterprise got derailed by my girlfriend.

Oooh, the visuals...

 

[Twilight Hue]

Men are visual creatures by nature. If a woman chooses to show it, then she can expect to be viewed. Sorry.

Yea just watch twitch Thots in tight yoga outfits and low cut tops dancing away for donations.

I'm sure its only an appreciation of their dancing ability.

Look at all that talent!

 

[Mitty]

I'm noticing that many men have this view that women wearing fetching clothing want males to stare at them and that it's hypocritical for the woman to complain. I don't understand this view. It's very sexist, towards both men and women. It's sexist towards women because it doesn't allow for the possibility that the woman is simply wearing what she likes or is comfortable for herself, and not for men, especially strangers. It makes what women do about a man, ignoring that women's lives don't revolve around men. It also implies male ownership of her body since it's viewed as negative if the woman complains.

It's sexist towards men as it portrays men as lustful beasts who can't control themselves and who automatically turn into leering, catcalling creeps when an attractive woman is nearby (notice it's usually hetero males saying such things). So it ignores that men can have self-control. There's ways to enjoy the beauty of another without being rude and while being subtle. Lately I've been enjoying looking at the sexy college guys with nice butts in my area but they'd never know I was looking and I wouldn't want them to know (unless we were in a gay club or bar where that's more acceptable).

To me, it comes down to a culture that says women can display sexuality and physical allure, but always at a price and with consequences. It's similar to blaming women's sexual assault on what they may have been wearing.

I personally don't assume that someone got dressed in the morning with me in mind. Even if a person is butt naked, it's still incumbent on everyone else to be respectful and mature. I mean, I'm sure we've all seen human nudity before, right? If it drives you that crazy, you have a problem.

Is wearing stiletto heels and make-up etc for comfort, or is it simply a sexual display like a peacock or a male lyre bird?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm noticing that many men have this view that women wearing fetching clothing want males to stare at them and that it's hypocritical for the woman to complain. I don't understand this view. It's very sexist, towards both men and women. It's sexist towards women because it doesn't allow for the possibility that the woman is simply wearing what she likes or is comfortable for herself, and not for men, especially strangers. It makes what women do about a man, ignoring that women's lives don't revolve around men. It also implies male ownership of her body since it's viewed as negative if the woman complains.

It's sexist towards men as it portrays men as lustful beasts who can't control themselves and who automatically turn into leering, catcalling creeps when an attractive woman is nearby (notice it's usually hetero males saying such things). So it ignores that men can have self-control. There's ways to enjoy the beauty of another without being rude and while being subtle. Lately I've been enjoying looking at the sexy college guys with nice butts in my area but they'd never know I was looking and I wouldn't want them to know (unless we were in a gay club or bar where that's more acceptable).

To me, it comes down to a culture that says women can display sexuality and physical allure, but always at a price and with consequences. It's similar to blaming women's sexual assault on what they may have been wearing.

I personally don't assume that someone got dressed in the morning with me in mind. Even if a person is butt naked, it's still incumbent on everyone else to be respectful and mature. I mean, I'm sure we've all seen human nudity before, right? If it drives you that crazy, you have a problem.

I know I am a bit weird when it comes to this topic, but I find that I get more attracted to woman who dress very modesty the of those who chose to mostly wear nothing at all.

 

[Tambourine]

Yea just watch twitch Thots in tight yoga outfits and low cut tops dancing away for donations.

I'm sure its only an appreciation of their dancing ability.

Look at all that talent!

Why is it too hard to act respectfully towards this woman?
Why is it too hard not to pay attention to a performance you have to actively seek out to watch?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I know I am a bit weird when it comes to this topic, but I find that I get more attracted to woman who dress very modesty the of those who chose to mostly wear nothing at all.

Well, there's people who find Christian nuns in full habits to be hot, so there's something for everyone.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Is wearing stiletto heels and make-up etc for comfort, or is it simply a sexual display like a peacock or a male lyre bird?

Or maybe they just like the look.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yea just watch twitch Thots in tight yoga outfits and low cut tops dancing away for donations.

I'm sure its only an appreciation of their dancing ability.

Look at all that talent!

It's very rude to call them "thots". Its the same as saying "****" or "whore".

 

[Tambourine]

Or maybe they just like the look.

Or because their boss says so.

I believe it was only a few years ago when a woman successfully sued Procter & Gamble to allow her not to wear high heels on the job.

Capitalism, as usual, does a greater job policing women's bodies than even the most backwards and misogynistic religions.

It's very rude to call them "thots". Its the same as saying "****" or "whore".

In fact that is literally what the term "thot" means.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Or because their boss says so.

I believe it was only a few years ago when a woman successfully sued Procter & Gamble to allow her not to wear high heels on the job.

Yeah, that happens, too, unfortunately. But I was thinking of women who do actually enjoy that sort of fashion.

 

[Tambourine]

Yeah, that happens, too, unfortunately. But I was thinking of women who do actually enjoy that sort of fashion.

Of course. What I was trying to get at (and where I agree with you) is that there are myriads of reasons why somebody might want to wear high heels that don't involve wanting to be an object for hetero male sexual desire.

An ex-girlfriend of mine wore high heels because she was self conscious about her height, for example.

 

[Windwalker]

Then I hope I never get that old...and I am old now.

So, looking at a female as a sex object is considered mature behavior to you? You prefer to be an immature adolescent who thinks only of his dick, and the woman is just a warm body for his pleasure? Yes?

 

[ChristineM]

Is wearing stiletto heels and make-up etc for comfort, or is it simply a sexual display like a peacock or a male lyre bird?

I wear louboutins because they feel amazing to wear. What you think of people wearing them is up to you

 

[BSM1]

So, looking at a female as a sex object is considered mature behavior to you? You prefer to be an immature adolescent who thinks only of his dick, and the woman is just a warm body for his pleasure? Yes?

Evidently we've met...

 

[Windwalker]

Evidently we've met...

Yes, I remember being 12. I'm not 12 anymore.

 

[Vinayaka]

This thread reminds me of why I have a love/hate relationship with saris, and those colourful long African dresses. Saris are meant to be beautiful as are those dresses. I'm actually staring at the sari, not the woman. They are gorgeous. But sometimes the woman thinks you're looking at them.

Same thing with teenage girls who wear slogans on their t-shirts. If I knew them well when I taught, I'd ask the friend to read the message for me, and we'd all have a laugh, cause they both knew why.

 

[BSM1]

Yes, I remember being 12. I'm not 12 anymore.

I'd kill to be 12 again...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This thread reminds me of why I have a love/hate relationship with saris, and those colourful long African dresses. Saris are meant to be beautiful as are those dresses. I'm actually staring at the sari, not the woman. They are gorgeous. But sometimes the woman thinks you're looking at them.

Same thing with teenage girls who wear slogans on their t-shirts. If I knew them well when I taught, I'd ask the friend to read the message for me, and we'd all have a laugh, cause they both knew why.

I have the same issue with clothes sometimes!

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's very rude to call them "thots". Its the same as saying "****" or "whore".

Its a common term prevalent everywhere.

Let's face facts and not beat around the bush. They flat out use sex to make money. If they weren't doing that, they would be prostitutes.

 

[Vinayaka]

I have the same issue with clothes sometimes!

Yeah I think it's kind of common. A teacher colleague once wore these psychedelic tights to work, and I sort of got looking at them, until she accused me of ogling. All in jest (I think). I'm like Sunstone, taught by Mom not to stare.